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Just came across this article and it could really do with some love. The article is terribly unencyclopaedic. I'm loathed to cut out big swathes of it but unless someone in the know can include some citations it'll lose a lot in the process of correcting it. I'll see what I can dig up from Britannica and other general-purpose sources to avoid annihilating all content. -Rushyo (talk) 17:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This entry is desperately in need of some citations. Hardly any of it is backed by proper sources. Hopefully someone with access to legitimate sources can improve by inserting some references. Most of the pages on Wikipedia devoted to dog breeds are loaded with fuzzy, anecdotal information, of course, and this one is no exception. People who edit Wikipedia pages just to brag about their own superior relationships with their dogs should be spayed or neutered. — Anon.

As always this page stinks of a breeder copy-pasting some breeding guide. All sentence verbs are “should this” and “should that”. “The points should be well distributed and bear good relation one to the other”, “Acceptable colours are: all brindle, fawn, white, brindle and white, and any colour except those which constitute disqualification.” The same problem applies to most bred animals (see articles about chickens and whathaveyou). This page is waiting for someone who cares enough to rewrite/reduce it. — Chrisdone (talk) 07:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add it to my list of articles to do. It's quite the mess, but at least its a breed where there should be plenty of information avaliable. The description particularly smacks of copying and pasting a breed standard from somewhere. Miyagawa (talk) 11:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More pictures

I've added a picture with both of mine in it. I'll try to get pictures of them this weekend each individually. The honey or lemon-pied is the product of fawn and brindle parents. He has siblings that are brindle with white and cream, as in the other picture in the article. The brindle (unrelated to the boy) has a white blaze on her chest and is brindle on her back and rear, which I'll try to include in an individual picture.

I believe that the brindles are fairly common and the breeder told me that the honey-pied is only a 4% change or something really rare. She sold him because he is too large or the breed standard (30 lbs now).

Thanks for the photo! Yeah, something that shows the brindle coat better would certainly be nice. Elf | Talk 20:40, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've added better pictures and I tried to show off the brindle girl's brindle and white chest. Whomever edited the page last time after I put up the image did a great job and I'll leave it to that person to make the page look nicer.

Um, gee, thanks (about doing the cleanup, I mean). The breed tables have only one photo in them, so you can just see what i did with the other photos and imitate something like that in the future. I'm going to take out the old photo with both dogs since we're getting individual shots. The honey pied photo is very cute.

It would be cool to have one photo of a dog standing, taken from the side, compared to one lying down and one sitting. I kind of like your original standing photo of the pied, too, because s/he's standing and at an interesting angle but you can still see the tail end--and yet an ear is cut off one one foot is behind the brindle. Sigh. so here's your next mission, should you choose to accept it: can you do the same thing for your brindle without cutting off his/her face? :-) This message will self-destruct in 10 seconds. (Or not.) (Taking photos of dogs is *hard*--I know because I do it all the time. Very dark colored dogs are particularly hard to get good photos of. Good luck. I suggest taking them outside where you can get an angle that has nothing behind the dog but grass or shrubbery--if you can get them on a sunny day in bright (not very dark) even shade, you might have your best luck.) Elf | Talk 01:22, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The artisan community?

The article states Toy Bulldogs were popular amongst the artisan and gay communities in Britain. An 'artisan' is a manual worker. I just can't see manual workers breeding lapdogs and I am sure that artistic (i.e. artistswas actually intended. I will make the change: If I am wrong you may reference it and change it back. --Adam Brink 07:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An artisan is not a manual laborer in the sense you seem to mean. An artisan is one who is involved with the crafts, a skilled worker who generally is not doing the original things an actual artist does. The word was almost certainly used correctly. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 19:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 19:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

question

Are french bulldogs born with or without tails

Answer:

French Bulldogs tails are naturally short, and are not docked at birth. In the early days of the breed, the tail was more similar in type to that of most terrier breeds. Selection by breeders has resulted in most North American born French Bulldogs having a naturally occurring short, screw tail.

You can read a more comprehensive article on the evolution of the French Bulldog's tail here - [1]

--FrogDogz 19:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed certain links

I have removed certain links because they provide no information of any significance and are generally nothing more than links to pages that contain breeders links. There was an elaborate plan of links and cross links to promote frogdawz websites ranking for self serving reasons. There are other informational websites that can be found on the internet that will serve the readers interest better that do not contain breeder links. Each of the deleted links contained links to Absolut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.55.225 (talk) 13:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC) french bulldogs Are so head Heavy That they Can't Mate (Hump) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.228.217 (talk) 21:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

French Bulldog and the Titanic

I just added a brief passage to the "Cultural References" section on a French Bulldog aboard the Titanic. The story is told in various apocryphal forms on French Bulldog fan pages, but I have cited a reliable page from the French Bulldog Club of America. I am wondering, however, if this addition might be better placed in the history section? The story is not only interesting as a cultural reference, but also as an illustration of the French Bulldog's place in "high society". What do other contributors think? Cfordahl88 (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Intelligence

The text had "appear intelligent" for dogs' look which is highly subjective and questionable. Especially in the light of the so quoted ranking in the article itself that places the French Bulldog in the penultimate category of dog intelligence. There was also description that "the dog is intelligent" but "is stubborn and may not get trained easily" (not exact wording). This, again, is subjective and contradicts to consecutive statements in the article itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamenlitchev (talk • contribs) 14:09, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image changes

I have reverted the changes to the images made by Gioia55. The puppy image was less illustrative than the image that had been there, and the brindle image was unclear. However, the editor had made multiple substitutions, and possibly one or more of their images would be a useful addition to the gallery. So I think this should be discussed. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I can use this one, its OK. Not bad, and it shows a dog with white body and black ears, the one colour we didn't had yet. It is the last picture in the article, but its used. Hafspajen (talk) 09:42, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lifespan and other new edits

Please read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Random blogs, breeder websites, youtube etc are generally not appropriate. Source for 10-12 years is not reliable. Info on how lifespan is longer now because of actions taken by the KC is not in source. See Wikipedia:No original research.--Dodo bird (talk) 05:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Asked the copyvio experts to take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=French_Bulldog&diff=680322045&oldid=680321893 this edit, if it is copvio, it must be cleaned up (Not removed, but rewritten). Hafspajen (talk) 00:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Crow, left a meassage here. Hafspajen (talk) 00:01, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gary

Shouldn't Gary Fisher be mentioned somewhere in this? He is notable enough to be included, certainly taking into account the Titanic dog. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 19:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In the section about colours, it should be noted what colours are recognised by the FCI, and that the dilute (liver, mouse, etc) colour genes potentially also carry the risk for severe skin disease, eye problems, deafness and birth deformities. There are plenty of credible sources and proof online to confirm this, and it shouldn't be excluded from the page. 87.54.200.50 (talk) 15:43, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ^BE _CK ^Y _SA ^{Y L}E _S 06:03, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Whats wrong with the bulldog image

User:Cristorras what's wrong with the image below for the French Bulldog article? Dwanyewest (talk) 09:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Capitalization

Is the "Bulldog" in "French Bulldog" supposed to be capitalized? At first glance, seems to violate our Manual of Style, which prefers sentence case. Thoughts on de-capitalizing "bulldog" so that it's "French bulldog"? –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's the name of a breed, and we capitalise breed names (well, we consistently do so for dogs at least), just as the sources do. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While some sources do capitalize both words the MLA says that it should not be capitalized. We do seem to have a convention of capitalization all words in a breed name, but I'm not aware of an WP:MOS guideline around that. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:BREED, although that's not official policy it is in line with typical consensus. You could challenge that given it's not official policy but you'd probably need to get a decent amount of comments and not just on a single article talk page if you wanted to change it given the vast majority of articles use this standard. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not interested in changing the status quo. Seems like it's one of those things that can go either way, and it would be a waste of time making a fuss about it here. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, I don't care which standard is used so long as there is a consistent one. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

The lead paragraph states that early examples were "apparently the result of cross-breeding of Toy Bulldogs imported from England and local Parisian ratters." The Toy Bulldog page suggests that it was created by "crossbreeding French bulldogs with standard bulldogs or with the crossed offspring." Can anyone unpick this circular definition? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 16:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]