Talk:Second Intifada

Skip to table of contents

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Second Intifada article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10: 3 months

The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

Please stay calm and civil while commenting or presenting evidence, and do not make personal attacks. Be patient when approaching solutions to any issues. If consensus is not reached, other solutions exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute.

Israel High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related

High

This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Palestine Top‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Middle East / Post-Cold War

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Middle Eastern military history task force
	Post-Cold War task force

Israel Palestine Collaboration

This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, a collaborative, bipartisan effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. For guidelines and a participants list see the project page. See also {{Palestine-Israel enforcement}}, the ArbCom-authorized discretionary sanctions, the log of blocks and bans, and Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars. You can discuss the project at its talk page.Israel Palestine CollaborationWikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationTemplate:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationIsrael Palestine Collaboration

Human rights Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Human rights, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Human rights on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Human rightsWikipedia:WikiProject Human rightsTemplate:WikiProject Human rightsHuman rights
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)
You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Further information

The exceptions to the extended confirmed restriction are:

Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive.
Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required.

With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:

Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction. Also, reverts made solely to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are not considered edit warring.
Editors who violate this restriction may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offence.

After being warned, contentious topics procedure can be used against any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Contentious topic sanctions can include blocks, topic-bans, or other restrictions.
Editors may report violations of these restrictions to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. When in doubt, don't revert!

This article has been mentioned by a media organization:

Omer Benjakob (2020-10-01). "The Second Intifada Still Rages on Wikipedia". Haaretz. Retrieved 2020-10-02. Beyond documenting the intifada itself as it happened, the article also documented something no less important: the battle over the narrative of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This skirmish proved pivotal to Wikipedia's own history.

On 13 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Al-Aqsa Intifada to Second Intifada. The result of the discussion was moved.

Archives

Index 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by when more than 5 sections are present.

Number of suicide bombings

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

In the second paragraph of the article, there is the following sentence: "The suicide bombings carried out by Palestinian assailants became one of the more prominent features of the Second Intifada and mainly targeted Israeli civilians, contrasting with the relatively less violent nature of the First Intifada, which took place between 1987 and 1993."

I think this should be:

"The 146 suicide bombings carried out by Palestinian assailants became one of the more prominent features of the Second Intifada and mainly targeted Israeli civilians, contrasting with the relatively less violent nature of the First Intifada, which took place between 1987 and 1993."

The number of suicide bombings is mentioned in sources that are already on that sentence.

See:

"Since the outbreak of the second intifada in late September 2000 until today, there were approximately 146 suicide attacks, and more than 389 suicide attacks have been foiled" in Schweitzer, Y. (2010). "The rise and fall of suicide bombings in the second Intifada". Strategic Assessment. 13 (3): 39–48.

Similar figures are also quoted in other reputable sources. The number of attempted suicide attacks may also be relevant, but that number is likely more open to debate. The sources I have checked generally show approximately 140-50 suicide bombings and approximately 350-450 attempts. It depends a bit on whether you count each sucide bomber separately or each attack separately since some attacks had more than. 1 bomber. But the numbers in the existing sources conform to this range.

In any case, I think putting a number such as 146 or range such as 140-150 is necessary to describe the frequency of these attacks during this time period which was a major feature of the intifada and characterized the Israeli POV of the period.

Revert

@PeleYoetz: Kindly explain these reverts and why, exactly, they are not improvements (any of them). Selfstudier (talk) 18:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PeleYoetz: Not sure how reducing and summarizing the lede into genuinely four-well composed paragraphs, and improving the chronology of the lede is not an improvement? Makeandtoss (talk) 22:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you make another revert before discussing these reverts, or make further reverts on other pages without discussion I will topic ban you from ARBPIA. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish: PeleYoetz has continued editing while avoiding this talk page despite your warnings. Important to note that their revert that they are seemingly refusing to discuss is disruptive as it had indiscriminately mass reverted dozens of good faith edits and improvements made to the lede. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The use of the term "Combatant" is frequently used in the article and it should read "terrorist". A Combatant is a members of an armed force who operate according to the laws and customs of war. Combatants are commanded by a person in charge of their subordinates, wear a distinctive sign, and carry their arms openly.

"Suicide bombers" the main characteristic of the 2nd intifada is not in accordance with any law or custom of war. Its savagery and terrorism. Please correct. 159.250.158.135 (talk) 16:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Wikipedia has a policy of not calling people or groups "terrorist". This is not an indication of condoning "terrorist" activities, but of neutrality, and avoidance of passing judgment, affirming or denying. Please debate the merit of this policy at WT:Words to avoid, not here. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opening paragraph

The last two references at the opening paragraph are odd and tackle a side aspect of this article, the quotes seem to exist to promote a certain point of view, so why is this still here? Makeandtoss (talk) 12:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The cause of the intifada and the scale of the repression when it was still a nonviolent uprising are side aspects? DMH223344 (talk) 23:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am referring to the sources of:

[12]: Opportunity, Culture and Agency: Influences on Fatah and Hamas Strategic Action during the Second Intifada

[13]: A Globalized Conflict: European Anti-Jewish Violence during the Second Intifada

They are out of place and were recently inserted to highlight some quotes in them that do not directly relate to the Second Intifada as a whole. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 December 2024

It is requested that an edit be made to the extended-confirmed-protected article at Second Intifada. (edit · history · last · links · protection log)

This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".

The edit may be made by any extended confirmed user. Remember to change the |answered=no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. You may also wish to use the {{EEp}} template in the response. To request that a page be protected or unprotected, make a protection request.

“occupation” should be taken out as not everybody sees it that way, so it is biased. 2600:1001:B032:1AE3:5C4E:61DC:DC8:4D00 (talk) 09:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]