Talk:Passenger pigeon

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Hogyncymru (talk) 21:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, while it's an interesting exercise, it's a bit too speculative for an article where we have actual contemporary photos and illustrations, it's a bit too far into WP:original research territory. FunkMonk (talk) 21:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Citations are placed in "Cited texts" if different pages are cited, right?

Is this rationale the one being used in this article? I am not quite sure that this is the intention because there appears to be exceptions. Any comment clearing this up would be appreciated. J JMesserly (talk) 09:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

In this case it's for when multiple page ranges to the same sources (mostly books) are used, then the ranges are put in References, and the books themselves under Cited texts. Sources with shorter and single page ranges are put under References. FunkMonk (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Right. Does this notice describe that usage scheme correctly? If not, what wording should I add or remove to make it more precise or clear? As suggested by Jts1882 on the Birds project page, I have created different style templates akin to the British english/ American english notice templates. The intent is that we have clear descriptions of usage for all consistent styles for using short footnotes. An alternate style to this one is that is employed by Egyptian vulture, and Botany. So far I have not seen other styles amongst the bird articles, but there may be more which are as yet unidentified- such as inclusion to the cited works list based on notability of the source (some historical articles appear to be doing this on occaision). The following is a current subst of {{Note short footnote style 1 in use}}

Is this wording correct for this article as the template is currently written? If so, I will proceed with inquiries on the talk pages of articles presumably using it prior to placing the notice along with others at the head of the talk page. If it is different that the described style in some respect, I will create a new style description for it. J JMesserly (talk) 00:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Seems fine, and if there's a better way of doing it, as you have suggested elsewhere, feel free to convert it. FunkMonk (talk) 11:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for begging off but honestly, each style has advantages and disadvantages. You appear to prefer the style I did for Broad-billed parrot. If the wikiproject agreed that this was the preferred style in cases where an article had an inconsistent style for a significant period of time, it would speed up such upgrades. Otherwise without solicitations on talk pages like this one, WP:CITEVAR prohibits me from simply changing over an article one way or the other because of my best guess of which style was preferred. There are 300 articles with sfns and most of them I have reviewed are employed inconsistently. J JMesserly (talk) 23:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, you have my blessing at least to convert the ones I brought to FAC. Citation consistency is my least favourite part of writing articles after all. FunkMonk (talk) 23:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Okey dokey. I will churn through all articles in list of promoted articles found on User:FunkMonk/Stuff restoring them to your preferred style (which to be clear to other readers is Not the one described by the above descriptions.) The correct banner description is the following and will be added to the banners of the talk pages of those articles. {{Note short footnote style 3 in use}}

As an aside, I do have favorites for particular situations. My personal favorite for comprehensive articles is the form typical for journals and books- an alphabetical list of all references, but perhaps that is the Swiss-German/ former researcher in me. I did that for Holodomor which formerly was a jumble of styles. It was quite a mess due to the edit volatility and contributions from folks not familiar with citation conventions.J JMesserly (talk) 02:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Personally, because I constantly update articles with new sources, and find source work tedious in general, the current style I use where I can just add a new source anywhere without much afterthought feels easiest with my workflow. FunkMonk (talk) 12:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Last confirmed wild passenger pigeon was actually shot near Laurel, Indiana on April 3, 1902

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=163368 TheZodiac007 (talk) 00:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

This is covered in the article - see Passenger_pigeon#Last_survivors, end of first paragraph. Determining which of these records can stand as the last well-verified wild sighting has always been difficult. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Just another account

This article doesn't need more content but just bookmarking for future researchers, I thought this was a lovely and informative passage. I can't figure out the date but I'm guessing 1830s?

When we reached the Bayou Bonida, our attention was arrested by a roaring overhead. We looked up and saw vast flocks of wild pigeons coming from every quarter and forming what is called a pigeon roost. The advanced flocks would select and settle on the boughs of the trees, and successive flocks would settle on and cleave to their predecessors until they would hang in clusters like a swarm of bees. Frequently the accumulating weight would break a bough and bring it down with a crash, and the birds would fly off, only to return immediately and make another settlement. The smaller and more elastic trees were often so overloaded that they bent until the top limbs rested on the ground. After selecting their place for roosting, they would return each succeeding evening until they migrated to some new territory. What excited our curiosity was that they should come from afar and concentrate on one acre of trees almost to suffocation when they had illimitable forests to roost in at their convenience wherever night might overtake them.

Source: 1908 history of Methodism in Mississippi by John G. Jones pp 104–105

Cheers, jengod (talk) 20:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)