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Contemporary and Regular

Is there a difference between this and Contemporary R&B? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.54.195.214 (talk) 17:18, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Contemporary "R&B" is a smooth, syrupy type of electronic pop that isn't bluesy at all. I don't know how it came to be called R&B, because there seems to be no relationship between the two styles. MrDemeanour (talk) 17:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Soul music 2

Isn't soul music a subgenre of R&B? GogoLion (talk) 12:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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British bands in the lead paragraphs

I've removed mentions in the lead paragraphs of UK bands like Jimmy James and the Vagabonds, Geno Washington, Carl Douglas, and Hot Chocolate - although they all had some importance in the UK, it was relatively minor in the overall scheme of things, and Douglas and Hot Chocolate were primarily seen as pop musicians rather than R&B in any case. I've also removed mention of how the Who were promoted as "Maximum R&B" - again, it's an almost trivial fact in the context of R&B music as a whole. I'm still uncomfortable about the only bands being named in the lead being (white) British ones - they could and probably should be removed as well, but I'll wait and see if there are any more comments here first. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. Per WP:LEAD the lead should summarize the article. If we mention musicians in the lead, it should be the ones who get the most coverage in the article. That would be Louis Jordan, Fats Domino, maybe Bo Diddley, Johnny Otis, Ruth Brown, Little Richard and some of the others who get at least a paragraph in the History section. GA-RT-22 (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re-reading that paragraph, it seemed bizarre (and arguably racist) that we should be naming any of those 60s British bands in the lead, when we do not give similar prominence there to any of the US performers who created and defined the genre. I've removed them. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the lede we find

"It referred to music styles that developed from and incorporated electric blues, as well as gospel and soul music." and I am not really comfortable with Soul music being here. R&B was pretty well going along when soul arrives and although there is a lot of overlap to state that R&R "developed from" soul is, in my opinion, misleading. Carptrash (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Afrikaans

R&b music when it first began 41.116.44.251 (talk) 16:41, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it is best to maybe only allow this genre to be called R'n'B and Rhythm and blues.

This is especially crucial for Wikipedia as there are thousands of articles that say R&B and they are mostly Contemporary R&B. This makes it confusing to then call Rhythm and blues also R&B. It just seems like the simple solution is to not use that abbreviation. Even a global hitmaker like Usher is often cited as "King of R&B" and he is known for Contemporary R&B NOT Rhythm and blues but then again as "Essence" makes it out to be just a modern version if the genre but it still is the same use of the word "R&B" despite both genres sounding completely different so it becomes confusing. At the end of the day Contemporary R&B is more often called R&B than the other genre. Yes we can not change any articles that already use that abbreviation but this just helps avoid confusion to readers especially who might confuse Rhythm and blues with Contemporary R&B as they are both called "R&B" in articles. Just a suggestion. I will also be willing to edit those articles to say "Rhythm and blues" or even "R'n'B" if that helps. This0k (talk) 16:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"R&B" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect R&B has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10 § R&B until a consensus is reached. This0k (talk) 22:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]