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I cannot describe the meaning.

"Simulated appearance of Saturn as seen from Earth (at opposition) during an orbit of Saturn, 2001–2029"

What is the meaning of "(at opposition)"?

Who someone adds it?

It is impossible to understand that the word opposition refers to similar to in vein with far side of moon.

Cmiiw.2404:8000:1027:B639:6CFF:13AA:C44D:922A (talk) 15:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a link to the article about opposition; I hope that helps? - Parejkoj (talk) 18:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2024

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Please change 0.2 gauss (µT) to 0.2 gauss (20 μT), as 1 gauss is 10^-4 Tesla The Space Stout (talk) 08:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2024 - Clarification on Saturn rings part

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Clarification on the creation of the rings. Current part of the rings discussion in this article: "There are two main hypotheses regarding the origin of the rings. One hypothesis is that the rings are remnants of a destroyed moon of Saturn, for which a research team at MIT has proposed the name "Chrysalis"^[1]. The second hypothesis is that the rings are left over from the original nebular material from which Saturn was formed."

Suggested edit: There is a debate on the age of the rings. One side supports that they are ancient, and were created simultaneously with Saturn from the original nebular material (around 4.6 billion years ago)^[2], or shortly after the LHB (around 4.1 to 3.8 billion years ago)^[3]^[4]. The other side supports that they are much younger, created around 100 million years ago^[5]. An MIT research team, supporting the latter theory, proposed that the rings are remnant of a destroyed moon of Saturn, named ″Chrysalis″^[1]. The Space Stout (talk) 11:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Wisdom, Jack; Dbouk, Rola; Militzer, Burkhard; Hubbard, William B.; Nimmo, Francis; Downey, Brynna G.; French, Richard G. (16 September 2022). "Loss of a satellite could explain Saturn's obliquity and young rings". Science. 377 (6612): 1285–1289. doi:10.1126/science.abn1234. Retrieved 22 May 2024.
^ Canup, Robin M. (December 2010). "Origin of Saturn's rings and inner moons by mass removal from a lost Titan-sized satellite". Nature. 468 (7326): 943–946. doi:10.1038/nature09661. ISSN 1476-4687. Retrieved 22 May 2024.
^ Crida, A.; Charnoz, S. (30 November 2012). "Formation of Regular Satellites from Ancient Massive Rings in the Solar System". Science. 338 (6111): 1196–1199. doi:10.1126/science.1226477. Retrieved 22 May 2024.
^ Charnoz, Sébastien; Morbidelli, Alessandro; Dones, Luke; Salmon, Julien (February 2009). "Did Saturn's rings form during the Late Heavy Bombardment?". Icarus. 199 (2): 413–428. doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2008.10.019. Retrieved 22 May 2024.
^ Kempf, Sascha; Altobelli, Nicolas; Schmidt, Jürgen; Cuzzi, Jeffrey N.; Estrada, Paul R.; Srama, Ralf (12 May 2023). "Micrometeoroid infall onto Saturn's rings constrains their age to no more than a few hundred million years". Science Advances. 9 (19). doi:10.1126/sciadv.adf8537. Retrieved 22 May 2024.

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Please add the following hyperlinks:

1) created simultaneously with Saturn from the original nebular material -> created simultaneously with Saturn from the original nebular material

2) LHB -> LHB

3) MIT -> MIT The Space Stout (talk) 13:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Location: infobox, header: atmosphere.

On page 9 of the given source 26, Saturn's _Surface Pressure_ is estimated at over 1.000 bar (which would be over 100.000 kPa), and it's _Atmospheric Pressure_ is at 140 kPa. Therefor the following suggestion: change surface pressure from "140 kPa" to "over 100.000 kPa", and add a new parameter called "atmospheric pressure" with the value "140 kPa". Current source is ok for both parameters.

An additional source: In Saturn from Cassini-Huygens (M.Dougherty, L. W. Esposito, and S. M. Krimigis, Eds). Springer (2009)

Tvos01 (talk) 20:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am now wondering what the infobox as it stands actually means, since Saturn has no definite surface. Double sharp (talk) 09:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it doesn't have a definitive surface for what we can measure. But all planets need to have a core, which is a surface (liquid or semi-liquid in most cases is the assumption here aswell, but it's a surface). This is why the estimated surface pressure is over a thousand kPa by NASA definitions, which I think is fair.

So, does it have a surface? Yes for sure.

Where is that surface? We don't know. Therefor we can't measure the surface pressure (yet)

Tvos01 (talk) 09:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done I changed the surface pressure to the one stated in the source, but there is no parameter for surface pressure. I suggest you make an edit request on Template talk:Infobox planet, and then make another edit request here Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 09:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angular Diameter

In the quick info box, at the end the angular size of Saturn is indicated in Arc Minutes ('), the correct way would be in Arc Seconds ("). Simply, if Saturn would be up to 20 arc minutes in angular diameter, it would be two thirds the size of the Sun. (Checked on Stellarium and on my own telescope) Kamikxzx (talk) 23:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[chrysallis-1] Wisdom, Jack; Dbouk, Rola; Militzer, Burkhard; Hubbard, William B.; Nimmo, Francis; Downey, Brynna G.; French, Richard G. (16 September 2022). "Loss of a satellite could explain Saturn's obliquity and young rings". Science. 377 (6612): 1285–1289. doi:10.1126/science.abn1234. Retrieved 22 May 2024.

[2] Canup, Robin M. (December 2010). "Origin of Saturn's rings and inner moons by mass removal from a lost Titan-sized satellite". Nature. 468 (7326): 943–946. doi:10.1038/nature09661. ISSN 1476-4687. Retrieved 22 May 2024.

[3] Crida, A.; Charnoz, S. (30 November 2012). "Formation of Regular Satellites from Ancient Massive Rings in the Solar System". Science. 338 (6111): 1196–1199. doi:10.1126/science.1226477. Retrieved 22 May 2024.

[4] Charnoz, Sébastien; Morbidelli, Alessandro; Dones, Luke; Salmon, Julien (February 2009). "Did Saturn's rings form during the Late Heavy Bombardment?". Icarus. 199 (2): 413–428. doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2008.10.019. Retrieved 22 May 2024.

[5] Kempf, Sascha; Altobelli, Nicolas; Schmidt, Jürgen; Cuzzi, Jeffrey N.; Estrada, Paul R.; Srama, Ralf (12 May 2023). "Micrometeoroid infall onto Saturn's rings constrains their age to no more than a few hundred million years". Science Advances. 9 (19). doi:10.1126/sciadv.adf8537. Retrieved 22 May 2024.

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