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What?

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Read the article, and still clueless what Afrobeat is. Can someone actually describe it in terms of rhythm patterns or whatever? I can get Samba vs Funk. What's Afrobeat? 89.176.34.187 (talk) 20:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A section under this page titled "Afrobeats" should not be under the music genre "Afrobeat" they are not exactly ralated. The term 'Afrobeats' has grown wider to have its own Wikipedia page Solokane (talk) 17:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This article is a mess indeed :( MarmotteiNoZ 01:32, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, Solokane and MarmotteNZ, having just been trying to untangle the difference myself (and still not too sure about Afro fusion, which appears to be more pop). This article could be useful to add to both a new Afrobeats article and the current one. I've just added a Split template. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:13, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Laterthanyouthink: I support the split. Afrobeats and Afrobeat are two different genres. I actually had plans of creating a separate article about the former term. If you would like us to work on another article, I'm open to it. Here are a few reliable sources I found:
Background
UK scene
Criticism of the term
Let me know if you are open to collaborating, thanks.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 21:50, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @Versace1608:, and thanks for your response on the topic. I am happy to collaborate, but (a) you do seem way more well-equipped for the task than I am in terms of your knowledge, and (b) I am in the middle of quite a large project in the background at the moment (in between all of these tasks I get distracted with because I find them interesting, or someone else draws me in!) and won't be able to give it my full attention for a while. If you have time, what about creating an article in Draftspace on Afrobeats and I will do what I can when I can on it? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:57, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not to be /that/ guy, but a lot of so called "UK Afrobeats" is not afrobeats at all. This is particularly evident in that last Redbull article you linked. People like J Hus (who is mentioned in the wiki page), Not3s, Yxng Bane etc pioneered a new sound distinct from Afrobeats called "Afroswing" or "AfroBashment". The sound J Hus and many others in the UK are making is a genre in its own right and including it under the afrobeats umbrella is misleading. Madbrad200 (talk) 13:05, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if @Versace1608: made this but I would be down to help out on an Afrobeats draft. I created a draft for Afroswing since it also needs distinguishing. Given the content already in this article regarding afrobeats, it shouldn't be too difficult to flesh it out into its own article (also support splitting if that wasn't evident) Madbrad200 (talk)

Infobox, Authorship, and Other Artists

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The style is called American in the infobox, and indeed, is influenced by American music, but is generally seen as an African musical form. Another artist claiming to have originated the style of Afrobeat is O.J. Ekemode, another Nigerian and contemporary of Fela. It seems to me also that some mention might be made of the Brazilian diva Margareth Menezes, whose music falls in the Afrobeat vein.--Rockero

The infobox is for funk, not Afrobeat, so I've removed it. I don't think there's any need for an infobox here. Tuf-Kat 05:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone gets a chance, another afrobeat artist is Lagbaja. Dreamer.redeemer 21:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The list of contemporary Afrobeat performers definitely needs to be cut down. Thoughts? - AKeen 13:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Afrobeats is a different genre of music from Afrobeat

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The article somehow bundles Afrobeat, which is a genre of music originating in the 1970s in Nigeria with Afropop and Afrofusion.

They are all entirely different music genres with different sounds entirely.

Afrobeat is a music genre which involves the combination of elements of West African musical styles such as fuji music and highlife with American funk and jazz influences, with a focus on chanted vocals, complex intersecting rhythms, and percussion.

Afropop, is a different music genre which involves some elements of American Hip Hop and fuji. A good example is Wizkid's Ojuolegba.

Afrofusion on the other hand is the kind of music this article refers to as Afrobeats. It's a drummier version of Afropop, with the main focus of the song being the drums, rather than the lyrics. Real limbowe (talk) 07:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You aren't the first to bring this up, and you're absolutely correct. This article also confuses Afroswing with afrobeat/s. It needs a big re-work, I'd welcome anyone who gave it a go. I might one day Madbrad200 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree - I'd really like to see some clarity brought to the topic (which probably needs splitting into the different genres). See also the first discussion above (What?). I don't have the expertise or time, but happy to help with split proposals and suchlike. If you would like to be involved in the editing process, Real Limbowe, just please familiarise yourself with the ground rules, especially about citations from reliable sources needed, and where you can ask questions (assuming that you're a new user?), etc. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting proposal

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to split Madbrad200 (talk) 23:30, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that the afrobeats section located at Afrobeat#Afrobeats be split into a separate page called Afrobeats (currently a redirect). As discussed elsewhere on this talk-page, and in the main article itself, afrobeats and afrobeat are very different genres and sounds. Reasons for splitting:

A) misleading, because it suggests are two are highly related, when in-effect the afrobeats styles we hear today - while derived from afrobeat - are quite far afield from the 1970s sound. This is most obvious if you take a moment to compare a wizkid song to fela kuti.

B) there are many sources that indicate the two genres are not the same.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

C) The size of the draft afrobeats article I have written is far bigger than the current afrobeat page, and even if the two above points don't matter, this alone is reason enough to split per the Wikipedia:Splitting#Size_split guidelines.

Would appreciate your thoughts (since you discussed this earlier) @Laterthanyouthink:, @MarmotteNZ:, @Solokane:, @Versace1608: 

Madbrad200 (talk) 01:59, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I can't be of much help in the near future, but I'd support such a split. It seems quite clear that they are different genres. I suggest that each article has a hatnote to be immediately visible to the casual reader, who may be looking for the other one. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:01, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. @Madbrad200: First and foremost I must thank you for creating the draft article. It is well written and well organized. I really think you just go ahead and move the draft article to mainspace. Once that happens, the Afrobeats section in the Afrobeat article can be removed altogether.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 13:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Scher, Robin; ContributorWriter (2015-08-06). "Afrobeat(s): The Difference a Letter Makes". HuffPost. Retrieved 2019-07-27. {{cite web}}: |last2= has generic name (help)
  2. ^ Lakin Starling. "10 Ghanaian Afrobeats Artists You Need To Know". The Fader. Retrieved 15 May 2017.
  3. ^ Hann, Michael (2016-08-03). "Lagos calling: Tony Allen opens up Nigeria's music scene". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2019-08-23.
  4. ^ Beta, Andy (August 19, 2016). "Is this the year that African music will conquer the United States?". The Washington Post. Retrieved 24 August 2019.
  5. ^ Afrobeats is the Nigerian sound taking over pop music, retrieved 2019-08-23
  6. ^ Adegoke, Yinka. "Warner Music is the latest major record label group to bet on Afrobeats". Quartz Africa. Retrieved 2019-08-23.
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Edit-semi Protected Requests by Briskman76

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Please remove the last edit by iammissbee which removes highlife as one of the foundations of afrobeat. The edit is wrong and absurd. Fela Kuti started off as a highlife musician. The user iammissbee has been vandalizing afrobeat and afrobeats music pages to remove any references to non Nigerian influences on those genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briskman76 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done —Sirdog (talk) 02:14, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove all edits by the user iammissbee. She has messed up the page and did the same thing a couple of days ago on the Afrobeats page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briskman76 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Hello! I'm afraid you will need to specify explicitly which edits by the user are incorrect and, if not obvious, why. An editor editing a page unconstructively does not give license for editors to undo all additions by that editor indiscriminately as some may have been constructive. They would all need to be reviewed individually. I see you are currently speaking with the them on their talk page. That is the desired first step in situations like this.
I would continue with that and, if the editor persists and you believe it is an issue, you could bring it to the noticeboard to report vandalism to administrators (if it is blatantly and obviously vandalism; it would be imperative for you to read over our policies on what is vandalism and what isn't vandalism) or the noticeboard to report behavioral problems to administrators. Also, please do remember to sign your messages on talk pages. Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 02:14, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Afrobeat as those who have studied it and lived through it in the 70s will tell you that Ghana have no influence whatsoever in its creation.On record is no Ghanaian musician of that era contesting the creation of afrobeat with Fela, and no Ghanaian musician after the creation of afrobeat by Fela claims his music is afrobeat. So It is purely out of envy and jealousy that after more than 50 years some Ghanaians are laying claim to afrobeat. Highlife which is one of the influences did not originated in Ghana but adopted the same way ghanaians have adopted dance hall. Highlife roots was from returnee slaves who were dumped in present day sierraleone and liberia.This new music called palmwine music was adopted by Ghanaians and claimed to originate from Ghana.Music Cloudwalker1 (talk) 12:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cloudwalker

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@Cloudwalker: please stop your disruptive editing of the article. If you wish to discuss the sources on the page and the information they provide, then by all means start a conversation here. You cannot simply nuke removed content because it does not agree with an opinion you hold. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 02:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 December 2024

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Afrobeat → Afrofunk – Simply to avoid confusion as Afrobeat and Afrobeats are often used interchangeably. In fact majority, if not always Afrobeat is used to described Afrobeats. Eg. Here where Tems song was described as Afrobeat when it is not. A redirect can be kept however I believe this should not be called Afrobeat and instead be called the more common name. Also if Ngrams says Afrobeat is more common than Afrofunk it should still be moved as that could be pertaining to it's misusage when describing Afrobeats. This0k (talk) 20:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed malformed request. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I always heard it being called Afrobeat. KOLANO12 3 20:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ngrams also shows far more about Afrobeat than Afrofunk(which it has one result) so this proposal will probably fail. This0k (talk) 21:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the genre is most widely known as Afrobeat. There is confusion, yes, but this is clarified in the article already. WP:SMALLDETAILS is worth reading. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 00:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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