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RE:Flagging you

Oh, thank you, darling! But you don't have to be so rude ;) Regards! Delotrooladoo (talk) 05:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your recent edits to Computational Anatomy

Hi, thanks for your recent edits to Computational anatomy! ArguMentor (talk) 02:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion about No Cross, No Crown

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Thank you for your edits

Thanks for your edits on Jane Elizabeth Manning James! I'm not sure how all those 1900s typos got in there, but you noticed and took action, for which I'm grateful. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:38, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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South Indian Diaspora

Thank you for warning 208.96.116.15 and reverting his attempt to redirect the page. He's been persistently adding nonsense, such as changing the heading "European Colonial period 1684 - 1947" so that it reads "Medieval Migration (1800 - 1950)", and lots of other bad edits. He's also been editing Template:Tamils which is probably also vandalism. I reported him for vandalism, but I could use some help cleaning up the article and template (I'm not knowledgeable about the subject). GBRV (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Added a response on my talk page. Film915 (talk) 05:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Added a response on my talk page. Film915 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Added a response on my talk page. Film915 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Old news bad news

I read your message during my holidays, but did not answer because I had decided to disconnect as much as possible. Was tough :)
I was never a deletionnist by heart. I remember vividly that day in Cape Town when Anasuya wrote the article and was so proud. We had a break for coffee. Came back and .... yeah... had to do firewoman job for it. I still do not understand why people can be so quick in dismissing other people work. At the same time, reading myself again, I was clearly a bit dry with him. I am sorry about that. Anthere (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

LinuxInsider references brought to RSN

Hi Shenme, I just followed up on this discussion on Knowledgebattle's talk page on WP:RSN. I pinged you there but I want to be sure you're notified. Thanks. ZackTheCardshark (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rashtriya Inter College Surir

Hello, Shenme Thank you for the lookup over Rashtriya Inter College Surir. I find it's a minor problem. Rashtriya Inter College Surir is know widely range over the local public & student book mention with same, so we can not change the same. if you might think it's needed. you can do Changes or One More Think one of my Village Wiki Page Need to Changes or source with Native Name Bhidauni as Bhidoni both names exists. both names will possible to set over Wikipedia. can I discuss to fix the same. Village Graph Page is on Good Standard.

Thank You!

You Can Changes

Rashtriya Inter Collage Surir to Rashtriya Inter College Surir. You Can Do. please do it Correctly.

Edits

" identification and analysis " - "and" separates yet connects two things, so plural 66.61.85.149 (talk) 16:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Serge Geoffrion

Apologies, I was busy trying to get the rest of the Quebec MNAs who didn't have articles at least up and running. Editing biographies is fine, I just wanted to eliminate the red since these are all/were elected officials.--Jack Cox (talk) 05:57, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not Simple English

Your change to Human has been reverted, because this is not the Simple English wikipedia. If you keep simplifying the vocabulary, who are you really serving? That is, which narrow grade range have you decided to aim Wikipedia at? For every grade level below college you would be able to find words you thought inappropriate. That process, repeated, will reduce every text to "Human: you, me, we! Wheee!" I've been worried that Wikipedia was moving from mish-mash to purée. Yes.

BTW: 'living' is simply the wrong replacement for 'extant', as 'extant' means something else. While "still existing" covers the usage intended here, that is the beauty of having definite, succinct words that fit the needed meaning better than other words or phrases. Shenme (talk) 04:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While extant is perfectly correct, so is living. I get that you like the word extant, indeed I like it too, but WP:LEAD indicates that accessibility is prioritized in lead sentences, and 'extant' is significantly more obscure than 'living' and the latter has the same meaning here.

'living' does not (directly and obviously) include the sense that there were several to many preceding and/or coexistent species, and we happen to be the one of all those that remains. You may feel that "the only living members" implies all that. "the only remaining members" says that. "the only still existing members" says that. But "the only extant members" says that just as well and more succinctly. The sentence is trying not only to tell of existence, but existence in relation to the preceding species. Moreover, it ('extant') is standard language when talking about species and families.

Point of fact 'living' is exactly the same length as 'extant' and, yes, it means the same thing. The word 'succinct' doesn't mean what you seem to think it does either. Given the significant mismatch between what you are saying and the evident reality perhaps you should apply for a job working for Donald Trump.

Which brings us to "difficult-to-understand terminology", which is what I can believe you meant I should see in WP:LEAD. This 'terminology', this meaning, is rather integral to understanding the complete statement. And if every word in the first sentence has to be super easy, it misses by a mile even with your change. Even the Simple English article misses badly at getting the facts across in simple English. (I tried and I never could figure out how to write in Simple English - 'real' simple English) Wikipedia must not aim for "fortune cookie" text.

(And now I'm off to change 'adobe' to 'abode', found while seeing if I could find examples of 'extant' in ledes. There are some, even in first sentences, but didn't yet see as significant an example as Human.) Shenme (talk) 06:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah; I really don't care. I find you to be annoying, pretentious and you are writing self evident untruths, as justification for reverting my edits. This is something which I do not respect in any way, it is corrosive to the project that is Wikipedia. Thank you in advance for not ever writing anything ever again on my talk page.GliderMaven (talk) 16:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion invite

Hello. I invite you to join a centralized discussion about naming issues related to China and Taiwan. Szqecs (talk) 04:40, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New move request for New York

In case you are still unaware of this discussion, there is a new discussion for renaming New York to New York (state). As you participated in the previous discussion on this topic, you may want to express your opinion in the new disussion. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Judy smith ref 6

I wasn't quite sure what you were referring to at first, but I see on more careful review that I got the chain of communication on the Rittenhouse Square sighting wrong. Thanks! I have duly corrected it. Daniel Case (talk) 03:03, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

Greetings! It was indeed a typo. Cheers-- Soupforone (talk) 05:12, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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re: What is unclear here?

It's pretty simple: it's an unreferenced claim. If you can verify that 'it is the most popular' with one of the other sources, as well as other claims made there, please add a cite to this sentence. Personally, I think the claim is right, but without sources it may be WP:OR. (Ditto for the next sentence). This stuff is not WP:BLUESKY, not for the average reader (btw, I tagged this after a Korean friend asked me why Wikipedia claims to be neutral but uses SoJ name in article about LR without even mentioning ES alt name - and I have they have a point, particularly when I had to tell them that this is likely because SoJ is more popular - but that Wikipedia doesn't even reference this claim). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned you at ANI

The thread mentions your recent interaction with Onel5969, but is not about you. You are welcome to join in on the discussion or ignore it as you please, just notifying you as a formality. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Shenme for editing Veronica arvensis, yes I missed the end punctuation Freshclover (talk) 03:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your help desk questions

You did not get a response for a question regarding coordinates and Wikidata. I can't be sure, but your question looks like one for WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:16, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you find the solution for your section name anchor problem? If not this could be a question for WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Noi vogliam Dio

Dear Shenme, I've just noticed you wrote to me many months ago because I'd taken an "e" out of the wording for this hymn. Sorry! As I have just discovered, I made that edit SEVEN years ago; so I don't know if you are still interested in the thing. Please let me know and I'll certainly give you all the reasons. Safebreaker (talk) 14:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Suplus"

Done. Changed all instances from "suplus" to "surplus". MYS 77 ^✉ 13:20, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

girobank

Hello Shenme, the easiest solution was to unlink girobank. Thank you for your interest.Taksen (talk) 08:47, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notify about AFD on articles created by User:Bigtime Boy about roller coasters under construction

Related AFD of WP:CRYSTALBALL roller coasters:

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reproducing comments

I'm fine tuning the filter, and have been responsive. Once the filter is tuned, I'll be going back through the edits. I have more pressing issues than wikipedia right now. So please be patient.

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That is reassuring. (And the real-life thing resonates with many here). Shenme (talk) 18:56, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In the future, could you not jump to conclusions/give people the benefit of the doubt? Because I don't believe WP must trend towards Simple English and, by damn, Murrican Simple English

Then consider the statement an indication there are background issues in WP editing of long-standing, that you may be inadvertently reproducing with your edits. Please give great and due consideration to each of your edits, so as to avoid reproducing again the faults seen so many times before. Shenme (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Petros Lantzas

Sure, the correspondent article doesn't state something about Greek revolutionary movement. That time (1573) Greek cycles living out of the Ottoman Empire got upset after Venice decided to sign a peace with the Ottomans in 1573. They believed that Spain (including Naples) could support them in their anti-Ottoman struggle instead.Alexikoua (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regards

Thanks. But I think it would have been better for me to pull back. I hope you don't mind I will be removing all that from the now blocked user from my talk page. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:54, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Wording in Disappearance of Tiffany Whitton

... without Caudle, who told Esquire he avoids the drug, finding out for some time.

That's why I didn't say "not". Daniel Case (talk) 01:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Pseudaelurus

Hey Shenme, I saw you recently edited a page on the pseudaelurus, I need to know which subfamily it belongs to, do you know by any chance? Zango.P (talk) 09:09, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Appearance of advocacy

Regarding Ankara train collision, I wasn't advocating the use of singular they but thought some people might find that use odd, so that's why I linked it. But thanks for pointing it out. Mistakefinder (talk) 04:06, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Advice

Hello Shenme, I want ask you for your advice. I have source^[1] that I want to use on this article this article[1]. But I don't know that which section of that article I can add the source's information to. Shahanshah5 (talk) 12:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Warrior Rule In Japan. Cambridge University Press. p. 11. government in Japan was exercised by a hierarchy of ruling families whose authority, though secured originally by military force, was ultimately rationalized on the basis of lineage and exerted along the lines of kin relationship."

Auditorium Theatre

It appears the Chicago Tribune archive is now on Ancestry.com. Sold to the Mormons, purveyors of fake religion since 1830. So no. What about Frederick Grant Gleason? It was four years ago, I really don't remember. Tried the Wayback Machine? MinorProphet (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

China

I did see the section China#Names, and I did see their breakdowns and "zhōng "central" and guó "state"" which don't match what others have for a long time written. "Middle" is the normal translation of 中 and is apt and poetic while "central" is rigid and a little boastful. "Country" is also the standard definition of 国, and "state" is rigid and inelegant; China is not just a state, it's a country (and a nation). Translations are natural not state defined. "The '-' dash bothers me for some reason." Its arguable that its non-standard form. Its not pinyin to use dashes but maybe it should be because its clearer, and inline with the monosyllabic separation between hanzi glyphs. "Multiple guides to pronunciation, including [ʈʂʊ́ŋ.kwǒ]." I would welcome some improvements to the IPA, but then which Chinese language/dialect would be the one used? The putonghua wins out here. -ApexUnderground (talk) 04:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ApexUnderground: Obviously 普通话 , but there seem to be so many variations on IPA, that using what already existed in the article - and presumably has already been argued over to consensus - might be a good thing? Some people will get upset at any change, but more people if the change ignores (seems to ignore?) previous text. Shenme (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The IPA has two modes, one which honors the simple form and approximate pronunciation and the other which honors precise native pronunciation, even when the phonology is unusual. China having so many different languages means we go with the main one. ApexUnderground (talk) 06:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Harassment by Nickm57

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Racial_discrimination&oldid=903968918

I recently made these edits. They are cited by this article (though you can find others):

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/

On the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Racial_discrimination

some seem to disagree that the Jews were discriminated against. These seem to be the same people who believe that the holocaust never existed. Nick is just a really bad person. At this point, I believe I need administrative help.

Nick has a track record of stalking and disruptively reverting my contributions to wikipedia. I was hoping Nick could be blocked from editing, or that a report be submitted against him, at the very least. His abusive behavior is getting out of hand.

People like him also launched several smear-campaigns, simply because I wrote about some things that are well-sourced and well-documented that does not fit their chauvinistic point of view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Xinjiang_Pages_and_User%3AAlexkyoung

I appreciate your input on this urgent issue. Wikipedia has no space for such bullying and abuse.

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Beams and specks meet the eye (it's Greek to me)

Have you seen situations like many short snippets of non-English text handled nicely? The editor has a particular presentation desired for these snippets, and that makes using a surrounding {{lang|grc|[πεμ]ψω αυτον ... του ζητειτε}} impossible. And adding lang templates to each each each small bit is a recipe for pain? Shenme (talk) 03:05, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I tried putting a whole block in span tags manually, but unfortunatly Mediawiki auto-closes the span tag at the end of the line because of the other formatting. It's not too bad to put one {{lang}} per line, which works (other than the lines that already have span tags). Though I would question whether this amount of non-English text is appropriate for Wikipedia, especially since there's no English translation. I would be inclined to move the full text of this document to Wikisource. -- Beland (talk) 15:11, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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MOS:HYPHEN and compound modifiers

I appreciate your hard work for the encyclopedia! But you are creating a lot of punctuation errors tonight. Compound modifiers are supposed to be hyphenated and you're taking the hyphens out of them. For example, if someone is in a commercial that is thirty seconds long, it's a thirty-second commercial. A break that lasts two minutes is a two-minute break. (A cup that is stained with coffee is a coffee-stained cup, not a "coffee stained cup"; a manual that is easy to read is an easy-to-read manual...) Unfortunately, many of the examples one sees in the media are incorrect also; it is very frustrating for some of us! The examples in MOS:HYPHEN regarding compound modifiers will illuminate this further, I hope. Thanks! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 04:13, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The compound-modifier conundrum

Thank you again for your really thoughtful discussion on my talk page a few weeks ago about compound modifiers! (For what it's worth, I'm not an English teacher, but I'm a U.S. federal lawyer, which means my job requires me to analyze specific grammar and usage every day. Unfortunately, this also means I sometimes can't take the time in one sitting to answer good questions like this, and I apologize again for the delay.)

The ultimate answer to your question is that it's almost always obvious from the rest of a particular sentence what a particular compound modifier is intended to mean. This is really subtle and you are not to be faulted for finding it weird and confusing. Your analysis shows that you are far more scholarly and precise than most native English speakers I know professionally (in other words, other lawyers, who get paid to write and analyze very precise English sentences for a living, who have in some cases been doing so for decades).

A good example is with respect to Dick Vitale. (I'm making up these facts quickly to highlight weird usage questions; they aren't intended to be accurate.) Let's assume these facts:

Dick Vitale recorded thirty-seven promotional ads for ESPN.
Each of those ads lasted thirty seconds.

Under MOS:NUM, the correct rendition of this is "Dick Vitale recorded 37 30-second promotional ads for ESPN," which has the benefit of eliminating the hyphenation question. But, if you were spelling out the numbers, the rendition would be, "Dick Vitale recorded thirty-seven thirty-second ads for ESPN." "37" is one modifier; "30-second" is a separate one. This is hard, grammatically. Really, I can explain this to people who were born in the U.S. and have been writing professionally for 20 years and many of them have a hard time understanding it.

Here's another (non-sports) example. Assume these facts:

I have a cat, Mischa (I do, in fact, have a cat named after Mischa Barton).
Mischa has long hair.
Mischa is fourteen years old.

"Long-haired" is one compound modifier; "fourteen-year-old" is a separate one. As such, they don't get hyphenated in one long construction. A grammatically correct description would be, "Mischa is a long-haired fourteen-year-old cat." "Mischa is a fourteen-year-old-long-haired cat" isn't correct, because the fact that she's 14 is a separate concept than the fact that she's long-haired. (Another correct sentence, which an American would almost never write unless they were trying to be humorous by being unnecessarily convoluted (the humorous newspaper columnist Dave Barry is the best example I know of someone who does this), would be, "Mischa is a Julietdeltalima-owned fourteen-year-old long-haired cat."

Now, to the question of football goals that occur at the 22'32" mark: Based on MOS:NUM and reasonable avoidance of ponderous grammatical constructions, I'd write "Zinedine Zidane scored a goal at 22'32" (or 22:32; I am unfamiliar with the nuances of MOS:FOOTY regarding punctuation for game-time references). If you were to write out the whole thing, it would correctly be "Zinedine Zidane scored a goal at twenty-two minutes, thirty-two seconds," or, equally correctly, "... twenty-two minutes and thirty-two seconds".

Please don't ever hesitate to ask me questions like this. They make me really happy to read, and to have the privilege of answering. All the best! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 18:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Ernest Simoni

I see you have been involved in discussions on the article Catholic Church. At present some editors are resisting fixing of the links so they match the article. One place where tere has been especially hard headed insistence on using a link to a redirect is on the article on Ernest Simoni.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Your edit to Marguerite Durand

I found the following article in Encyclopedia.com, which asserts that both Marguerite Durand and her half-brother Charles were born out of wedlock: https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/durand-marguerite-1864-1936 Given that it includes the information about her half-brother and also cites several sources at the end of the article it seems unlikely that the article's author is simply repeating information taken from Wikipedia.

Whether this merits restoring that bit of information to the article I leave up to you. Ormewood (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ormewood: Yes, I had seen that one mention, but could not find any other significant mention. I _am_ down on IPs (and after all a vandal IP edit drew my attention elsewhere in that article) and so really wondered about the original addition. (Which took 3 additional edits by others to approach reasonable English)

Indeed, now that I check that broken English geolocates to France. Which put me in mind to check fr:Marguerite Durand (féministe). I see nothing there about this. So I think I'll leave at that, that the French article about a French notable says nothing.

One thing in sometimes short supply at Wikipedia is patience. Let the truth accrete! Shenme (talk) 23:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

..for this [1] - GizzyCatBella🍁 08:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I've taken a look at your edit, and support it upon closer examination of the refs provided (which I failed to do earlier, my mistake). Hopefully this should clear up any issues my edits may have caused, though if you feel the need to contact me for any reason please do so. Regards, Freezingwedge (talk) 16:35, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schrodinger gender?

Oh I didn't know that the machine sometimes gives my gender as female. I must have set it in a moment of playfulness ... and I don't know how to reset it. Makes a change, I guess, for a bloke to be assumed to be a female. I would reset it for you if you tell me how <rant>although I personally think that we get over excited about the gender of our editors when the really important item is the gender bias of the articles.</rant> All the best (pronounced Roger) aka Victuallers (talk) 13:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC) P.s. is Shenme pronounced She'&/n'me? :-)[reply]

@Victuallers:

Pretty much like "shem-muh", it is a Chinese word zh:wikt:什么 for the question word "what?" among other usages. Un-grandiose that. Predictive also. :-)

But that was an issue for those people I mentioned: each time "bloke assumed to be a female", and horrible torsion of politeness then general nastiness ensued, at least 15 years ago. So disappointing when it "macht nichts"!

Click on "Preferences" at top of window. Then scroll down a bit more than one full screen, past "Basic information" to "Internationalisation" and section "Gender used in messages:". Of the three choices I think you have the middle one selected, 'feminine'? The upper one "gender-neutral" is the default, but that somehow must have gotten changed. Pick which one you want then click the "Save" button at bottom of window.

If you want to test, the only way I know of is to edit some page, add

to the text then do a "Show preview". I see "u_out" from that, showing that neither the male alternative "m_out" nor the female alternative "f_out" are selected. Kinda weird discovering that you can't easily see what other people see from you! Shenme (talk) 03:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is now set to neutral now (Schrodingers cat box closed). Impressed by your skills with the tools. @Shenme: <--- find out. Victuallers (talk) 07:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Thanks for catching my missing words at WBPX-TV!

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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