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2024 German anti-immigration protests

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The article refers to a single far-right rally in Magdeburg that followed a December 2024 car terrorist attack. The rally did not receive significant coverage, except in the context of the attack, and there were counter rallies that received similar levels of coverage. There were also gatherings and memorials in honor of the victims, which, similarly received coverage in the context of the attack's aftermath. Instead of having separate articles for each of these gatherings/protests, I would be in favor of merging this article and information about other memorials, counter rallies, and gatherings that followed the attack into 2024 Magdeburg car attack — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firecat93 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into 2024 Magdeburg car attack. As of now, there's clearly not enough to write about the protests to justify an own article. Maxeto0910 (talk) 01:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, unless there are more rallies, into 2024 Magdeburg car attack. Clearly not notable by itself at the moment. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2005 Danish Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Danish Figure Skating Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Danish Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2006 Latvian Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Latvian Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Latvian Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Mary-Catherine Deibel

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A local celebrity only, with an interview and an obituary in The Boston Globe. A redirect to her restaurant, Upstairs On the Square, is an option. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect All the unsourced content in nonencyclopedic voice was written by her sister and the rest doesn't establish notability for a local small-businessperson. Reywas92^Talk 14:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete. As per above. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (partial) to Upstairs On the Square, with reliable refs from bio.Djflem (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep although it needs to be reverted to the "pre-sister" version. (Sister clearly wasn't a Wikipedian.) I say this because with a merge to the restaurant it would be hard to capture some of the content. There are a fair number of local sources that could be drawn on. I emphasize local though. A local article about taking on a position after the closing of the restaurant, here can fill in a few facts about her career. Her death was covered in at least 6 local publications, and she was considered something of a feminist icon; a hint of this in G-Books because I can't see most of it. This has an emphasis on her involvement with local classical music activities. The Cambridge Day obituary provides good information. The City of Cambridge issued a resolution of condolence (short but heartfelt). I also found information that isn't included in the Upstairs On the Square article, like that they hosted an intimate after-concert dinner for U2 (and I suppose high-level fans). I'll throw a few links into the talk page of that article. Lamona (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep most of the coverage is local but the subject is considered notable in Boston. There are references in Proquest and newspapers.com with additional coverage. I’ll add some of them this week. Nnev66 (talk) 23:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I added references to the article. Note most are WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources, with the exception of the Baskin interview and All Things Considered piece. While most are in Boston/Cambridge sources, this is not surprisingly since her notability originates from her restaurant and community service in Cambridge. One source is in the trade journal Nation's Restaurant News. Nnev66 (talk) 02:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pál Székely

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Entirely based on primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Another one who looks notable in Hungary. Found this [1] in Magyar Nemzet, This [2] [] in Nemzeti Sport. In Blikk newspaper there is is this [3] I've only looked at a few Hungarian papers so there may be a lot more. Any thoughts?Canary757 (talk) 07:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep per above sources identified by Canary757. That Magyar Nemzet article is a brilliant example of sigcov (and even has other outlets reporting on parts of it). Further coverage can be found in Index.hu, M4sport.hu, 24.hu, further coverage in Index.hu, HVG.hu and Origo.hu. Trouble is that googling "Pal Székely" rarely returns any coverage because of Hungarian naming customs which put the name as "Székely Pal", but googling the latter or "Székely Penge" finds some very strong coverage indicating he's nationally notable in Hungary. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 09:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Nemzet article has only a paragraph of coverage; the rest is interview quotes which do not count towards GNG as primary and non-independent. The first three other sources also appear to be just Q&A interviews. Can you find some non-interview coverage of him? JoelleJay (talk) 22:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm curious about the status of interviews; when I check GNG, the reference to secondary sources is that they need "at least one secondary source" (which in this situation would be the latter Index article) and then says sources "should" be secondary. Then when I check WP:PRIMARY it says "(depending on context) interviews", which links me to WP:Reliable_sources#News organizations, in which there is... nothing listed about the aforementioned interviews. Is the inference here that any sort of interview content, regardless of how widespread or what source it's in, is entirely worthless and bunk in determining notability? ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The general consensus has been that secondary content from the interviewer, e.g. background on the interviewee prepared before the interview, can count towards GNG if it's SIGCOV, but anything coming from the interviewee (either directly in quotes or lightly paraphrased by the interviewer) is not independent or secondary. I'd say the Index article is verging on a routine recap (personally I would classify it as fully routine, as it's just briefly reporting his performance in one tournament). JoelleJay (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for the clarification. Well, I'm finding it hard, owing to my lack of Hungarian (I'm presuming there may be more hidden mentions such as the "Székely Palnak" ones that wouldn't initially come up on search) to find further sources. I'll just hope that whoever closes this will note the various Hungarian national sporting outlets that've gone to the bother of interviewing the subject in detail; even if not counted in the rule-based notability check, it's at least some sort of background showing this isn't just some complete unnotable. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Will give a more expanded response when I have more time but German website dartn.de [4] which has a nice bio about him describes him as one of the most famous players in Eastern Europe (via google translate).Canary757 (talk) 07:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1996 South African Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to South African Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, South African Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all Not understanding why the nom could've just done this instead of having these articles stuck for a week in limbo outside of airing grievances about tropical nations having figure skating competitions despite not being in a position to medal in the worlds/Olympics. Nate • (chatter) 23:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the rigamarole at AFD:2001–02 Swedish Figure Skating Championships, where I had tried to do just that, based on past precedence, and still got my ass handed to me and accused of trying to be "sneaky". Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Frog Detective (disambiguation)

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No topics with the exact title. GilaMonster536 (talk) 21:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Seems there is more than one way to do a dab. Some like this one. Here's an example: Abu Hanifa (disambiguation). There are enough like this one, that I don't think it's likely to be deleted on style. — Maile (talk) 04:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cydoor

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Fails WP:GNG BryceM2001 (talk) 20:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gameplay of Pokémon

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This article falls afoul of multiple different rationales and guidelines, which I'll go over now.

-The article's scope is unclear. It's titled "Gameplay of Pokémon", but is primarily discussing Pokémon battling. Additionally, it is only covering the gameplay of the main series of Pokémon video games, and not the gameplay of any game that diverges from that basic gameplay style. I've already merged some of this content to Pokémon (video game series), and while it needs work, this content really only pertains to that article and not to the franchise as a whole, making a spin-out unnecessary.

- This article fails WP:VGSCOPE. It goes into excessive detail about various game mechanics, and is a gross violation of guideline 7 in VGSCOPE, which states that excessive listing of gameplay concepts is not a valid spin-out rationale.

-A source search for notability only yields WP:ROUTINE coverage on gameplay changes when new games come out, as well as WP:VALNET articles that do not provide notability per WP:VG/RS. A search through Books yields only WP:Trivial mentions or is discussing Pokémon Go's gameplay, which is unrelated to the scope of this article. Scholar yields more of the aforementioned finds, but also has a few sources discussing it in correlation with competitive Pokémon. Notability is not WP:INHERITED from the competitive Pokémon topic, which is notable and is an article I'm working on a rewrite for right now, so these sources are not helpful for determining the gameplay's individual notability.

-In short, nothing inherently dictates that Pokémon's gameplay is separately notable from the Pokémon franchise as a whole, and gameplay can easily be summarized at each game's individual article's "Gameplay" sections, as each game has such a varying style of being played that it is impossible to make one article that covers everything without falling afoul of VGSCOPE. I've mentioned a viable AtD target above (Pokémon (video games series)) that could be helpful for preserving page history on the off-chance this article turns out to be notable in the future, but as it stands, this article isn't individually notable and is better off redirected, merged, or what have you. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 20:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or merge. Standalone gameplay article can be had but only if there is significant coverage of that from sources (beyond just being a gameplay guide), such as the case for Overwatch or Mahic: The Gathering. This has very little sourcing to support it. Masem (t) 21:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - to the game series article, per nom. Unnecessary spin out. Sergecross73 msg me 22:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't understand nom's rationale that "The article's scope is unclear". The article describes the gameplay of the games described in Pokémon (video game series) as "The main series of role-playing video games (RPGs), referred as the 'core series' by their developers". Separately, I'm not against a merge of the current content of the article, which is largely duplicative of the series and individual game articles. However, from trying to navigate between the various Pokémon game articles, it's currently already frustrating to actually understand the gameplay of any individual game, due to the articles being structured with descriptions of "like previous entries" or "the same as X", plus a "new features" section. I think merging this makes that problem worse, necessitating the reader to read back through the line of individual game articles. ~ A412 ^talk! 22:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think they're saying it veers off-topic a lot, which I agree with. For starters, why would you put a "release timeline" in a gameplay article? There's lots of that sort of stuff, the more you look and think about it. Sergecross73 msg me 23:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will also add that if there's any issues that are caused by this article's removal, I am willing to and will handle the fixing of those issues editorially. I've been working on improving the Pokémon topic area for a while now, so I know what areas and articles this will affect and what will need to be changed. If you have any more specific advice for this problem, let me know and I'll try to implement these into the articles. At worst, also, we can link a hatnote to the relevant subsection (In this case, Pokémon (video game series)#Gameplay) in place of the previous hatnote to the Gameplay of Pokémon article, as this subsection currently covers the bulk of the important information as is. If you have any more suggestions on if anything else should be merged to that section, then feel free to say it here, and if closed as redirect/merge, we can add it there. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or partial merge, per nom. Gameplay of X" or "Story of X" is essentially the same as "X". Beyond some point, it begins to violate WP:GAMEGUIDE and WP:UNDUE. Once you clean up the violating material, you'd find it redundant with the game article itself, with very little new ground to cover. The main Pokémon (video game series) article is a good place to summarize the essential features across these many games, and is already surplus coverage that isn't covered at the individual game articles. (In addition to the main Pokémon article about the whole multi-media intellectual property.) If Pokelego999's opinion is that this is excessive, then other editors should take that seriously. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Spiritism

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the timeline is not notable, and it is not supported by significant reliable sources Drew Stanley (talk) 21:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no reason to exist. Yes to a category and yes to a History of spiritualism article. I would not oppose a move. Bearian (talk) 19:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bearian, if you are okay with an article move, it sounds like you are open to Keeping this article under a different page title. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eitermillen

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A very small place with no notability of its own, better as a redirect to Contern. The sources often don't support the text (e.g. despite repeated claims that Eitermillen used to be at a place now called Maulin Diderich, I don't see any of the sources making that connection?) and are passing mentions or names on maps only. None of the sources in the article are significant coverage of this tiny hamlet (a "lieu-dit" is basically a named house or group of houses, not a once independent village), and the history and demographics seem to be WP:SYNTH or WP:OR due to this lack of sources. Fram (talk) 11:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Redirect~~ I do believe the subject matter here is notable, however it appears that the article in its current state lacks in sourcing to verify claims and establish said notability. Once redirected I can once again work on a draft or in my sandbox to compile more sources and improve the article so it’s ready for the mainspace. N1TH Music (talk) 13:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an odd vortex of an article where it clearly exists on maps and in at least one source, but there's nothing else to support that source in anything that's easily searchable on the web: ie I can verify that the place exists just enough to know it's likely not a hoax, but not enough to get it past the WP:V we need for a legally recognised place. (The fact there are no page numbers for the 1889/90 source help nothing.) I'd prefer a result which allows restoration once verified. SportingFlyer T·C 04:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SportingFlyer well the source [5], it might be just a map but it’s posted on an official government owned website also if you look at the article List of Populated places in Luxembourg the sources cited is also that of a government owned website and is a database of all the legally recognised localities in Luxembourg an it lists Éitermillen. Is that not enough to pass WP:V? N1TH Music (talk) 11:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your first map shows Oetrange, Kackerterhaff, and Moutfort, but even when zoomin in no "Eitermillen" appears. Is it supposed to be where the Rue du Moulin and Route de Remich meet? Fram (talk) 11:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram there’s a search bar at the top wherein you can type Eitermillen and a point appears at the location was if you click the directions icon. Either way it’s in the database. I think I’ve found a clearer link here. Also here is another webpage from the government of Luxembourg website which also mentions Eitermillen. And yes it is around where Route de Remich and Rue de Moulin meet. Is that not sufficient to pass WP:V? N1TH Music (talk) 12:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and there’s also this which is a communal document discussing all the projects completed between 2017 and 2023 in Contern and there were 2 projects in Eitermillen which is mentioned by name on page 23 and page 32. N1TH Music (talk) 12:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Page 23 says "New railings on the Eitermillen", this indicates that it isn't really a populated place but a location, building, route... You wouldn't say "new railings on Contern", that would make no sense. Fram (talk) 12:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram might be a translation error, here’s the french version also those steps can’t refer to a building because there’s no building there, what they’re referring to is this path which is a public footpath connection 2 streets, there isn’t even a building there. Also what about the other citations I listed here. N1TH Music (talk) 13:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't looked at everything: after a map which doesn't mention Eitermillen, and a communal document stating that they will add railings to a path named Eitermillen, I now checked this one you gave, where the closest I can find is Hëttermillen, which is also the only results I get when searching that website for Eitermillen[6]. So, after three wild goose chases, I stop looking at sources you provide, as they are wasting my time. Fram (talk) 13:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram Strange, the 3rd and most recent source you checked, when I typed “Eitermillen” into google, google stated that found inside the link “ Concernant la réglementation temporaire de la circulation sur la N2 entre Sandweiler et le lieu-dit « Eitermillen » à l'occasion de travaux forestiers.” And yet in the website itself I can’t find it. I apologise I should have double checked before sending it.

But you seem to have ignored the source I mentioned was listed on the List of populated places in Luxembourg article. On page 15 if you press the eye icon on the file you can find it clearly lists it under both Eitermillen and Oetrange-Moulin. And while it does say that it’s not an “official locality” thats because Lieu-dits aren’t incorporated as such because that entails them being census subdivisions. Kréintgeshaff for example isn’t incorporated either, unless you think Kréintgeshaff should be deleted too, either way is this not evidence of Éitermillen being legally recognised? And I actually found more sources but it seems you don’t need to see anymore. N1TH Music (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure "at the Eitermillen" is a translation error. I'd err on the side of keep now. SportingFlyer T·C 19:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't indicate much more than what we know, it's a "lieu-dit": our article on those isn't very good, but basically this is a named farm (or mill in this case), not an actual village. This is the Luxemburgish article on them[7], the translation makes it clear that these aren't really considered villages. Fram (talk) 20:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No - the translation of the Letzebuergish shows a lieu-dit could also have been anything from a house to a former locality, and we potentially have a census listing of 8 people living there which would indeed qualify it, if the source is any good (again this is where a lack of a page number hurts.) SportingFlyer T·C 20:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SportingFlyer do you not have access to the preview or something? Because when I view the source I can scroll through the pages of the book at located exactly where it says “Oetrange-Moulin”. The listing is on page 255. N1TH Music (talk) 21:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There it is, thanks! It's a very large document and search didn't work. SportingFlyer T·C 22:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SportingFlyer So is that a keep from you then or a redirect? N1TH Music (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep from me. It meets our criteria, but not by much. SportingFlyer T·C 19:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having searched for more sources and begun rewriting the article to better fit WP:V, I am changing my status from Redirect to Keep as I'm now more confident in the articles Notability. N1TH Music (talk) 10:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This appears to be part of Oetrange, with the French name (Oetrange-Moulin) being Oetrange combined with the road. I'm not sure what makes it a separate topic. CMD (talk) 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis officially Eitermillen has always been categorised as a separate settlement, all sources I’ve found discussing it seem to talk of it separately from Oetrange, for example then 1890 census, this topographic map from 1905 (albeit under a different name), and even modern communal documents, on pages 23 and 32 of this it discusses new stuff being constructed in Eitermillen not in Oetrange. Finally, this source which lists every locality in Luxembourg and is the basis for the entire List of Populated Places in Luxembourg article has 2 separate entries for Oetrange and Oetrange-Moulin. (If you want to see for yourself, it’s on page 15 of the document) N1TH Music (talk) 07:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 2006 Yakima hops fire

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A WP:News article based on a brief burst of news coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. One source from the time it happened doesn't cut it; zero lasting significance. (And incidentally, I lived in the area at the time and I have no memory of this incident.) WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There's coverage of the hops shortage caused by the fire [8], [9]. [10], but that would be a new article I suppose. Oaktree b (talk) 23:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there were a List of Washington wildfires equivalent for structure fires, this could be merged there. I don't see that such a list exists. Jclemens (talk) 03:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wittekind, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont

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Article subject does not meet GNG and is mostly a genealogical entry. WP:NOTGENEOLOGY . D1551D3N7 (talk) 17:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - this is not just genealogy, but now I've violated Godwin's law. Sorry Mike Godwin. Bearian (talk) 04:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That source is mainly about his father who is significantly more notable. Wittekind is only referred to 2 times in it - page 265 and 266. Once to mention Himmler was his godfather and sent him presents. And once to say he succeeded his father as "head of the house". This doesn't seem like it meets the bar for WP:SIGCOV to me. D1551D3N7 (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am inclined to weak keep, even if only by fact, that he was Himmler's godson and head of this nobles family. Another reason is (which, strictly speaking, has no impact on the enwiki), that there are articles about him in 12 other wiki projects. I would really like to see this article on our wiki not delited, given these weak arguments.--Noel baran (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being Himmler's child isn't enough for notability so I don't see why being his godson would be either.

Being the head of a formerly noble family is just genealogy at this point, he is 2 generations removed from the abolition of the monarchy in Germany.

The point about the other language wikis is irrelevant as you point out (WP:OTHERLANGS) D1551D3N7 (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if OTHERLANGS was a valid argument, most (all?) of the other language articles on him are just direct machine translations of the en.wp page, that's not evidence of his being independently notable in those projects. JoelleJay (talk) 02:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per User:Noel baran — Cosmic6811 T/C 19:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
)))) Noel baran (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The notability bar would have to be lowered considerably if being Himmler's godson and head of a now-obscure aristocratic family in these modern times qualifies. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per above, there's certainly a few mentions of him, but fairly obscure. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 19:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, and in the hope that a German obituary might be published providing more details of his army career and cultural and forestry work. Plus, the house of which he was head once ruled one of Germany's principalities so it was more than just an average aristocratic family. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability requires IRS SIGCOV in multiple sources, which has not been demonstrated here. Passing mentions do not count, even in aggregate, and the argument that "being Himmler's godson" or "being head of a defunct noble family" is a claim to notability is in direct contravention of NOTINHERITED. JoelleJay (talk) 01:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above arguments. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 15:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Aside from what's already in the article, there's an additional source from Histioires Royales in France (here). Also, the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany, which he was awarded, is the only federal decoration of Germany and very prestigious. Since there's coverage in reliable sources and a federal-level award, I'm a solid "keep". --16:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gym Samba (talk • contribs)
I disagree that the award alone is significant enough to warrant this article. Over 262k people have received an Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany. HistoiresRoyales seems more like a royalist fanblog rather than a reliable news source and would be pretty weak if the article's references are hinged on that. D1551D3N7 (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Histoires Royales is a non-expert blog, it cannot be used as a source. And the award is certainly not enough to meet ANYBIO. JoelleJay (talk) 19:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@D1551D3N7: Why would they be hinged on that single source rather than the ones already in the article? I pointed out the source I linked is an additional source, not that it's the only source.

As for the award, it meets WP:ANYBIO #1, which says, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." There's nothing in the description of that criteria that weighs how often the award it presented. It's well known, and significant, as it's the highest level of honor in Germany.--Gym Samba (talk) 19:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many degrees of the order and he received one of the lower degrees. For a similar example, not everyone who is an Officer of the Order of the British Empire is notable enough by virtue of their reward to get a Wikipedia article. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 21:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the fact Wittekind received this award is so significant why is the only reference available an article from 2001 in a small regional newspaper? I can't even find out what class of honour it was.

There's an essay (not a policy) here Wikipedia:Notability_(awards_and_honors) that mentions the problems with the interpretation of awards significance for notability. D1551D3N7 (talk) 21:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep. Notability is borderline re GNG with an obit at local/regional newspaper Waldeckische Landeszeitung with several paragraphs of biographical information and the Hesse government's article on the death of the Prince where Boris Rhein praises him as "a defining character who shaped not only the region, but the entire country" and to a lesser extent: an article about his 80th birthday met Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and one sentence of Prince Wittekind stepping down as chair of the Foundation of the Princely House of Waldeck and Pyrmont. Worst case scenario redirect to Josias,_Hereditary_Prince_of_Waldeck_and_Pyrmont#Family. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep due to the above German-language coverage and meriting a statement from the head of government of a German state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ignatiusjreillythefirst (talk • contribs) 20:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comilla Polytechnic Institute

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The only independent reliable sources found are brief mentions within primary source news reports about broader events (e.g. https://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-75355, https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/5enz43u7pl, etc.). Per WP:SIRS, primary sources do not count towards establishing notability. This title was previously redirected to the supervising Bangladesh Technical Education Board, where the school is listed, but the redirect was removed by an editor without regard to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Worldbruce, non-profit and government-run schools don't have to comply with WP:SIRS. They only have to meet the GNG.

Also, did you check for sources in the Bengali language? Or in the local newspapers, such as the ones listed in Comilla#Media? When an article says that a secondary school is one of the oldest and largest of its type in its entire country, and that it has thousands of students, the failure to find sources usually turns out to say more about our limited search skills than the actual availability of sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WhatamIdoing: Nearly all of my editing is of Bangladesh-related topics, so I'm constantly searching in Bengali, but sometimes forget that not everyone will know that, and neglect to mention it explicitly in nominations. In addition to general searches in Bengali, I specifically searched three local news outlets that in my experience are reliable: amodbd, comillarkagoj and dailyamadercomilla.

My reading of WP:ORG is that all schools must comply with WP:SIRS or WP:GNG, so I agree with you in part. Although WP:ORG's second sentence says "The scope of this guideline covers all groups ... with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, ...", its subsection WP:NSCHOOL says "All universities, colleges and schools, ... must satisfy either the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page) or the general notability guideline." The subsection goes on to say that with respect to WP:ORG, for-profit educational institutions must in addition satisfy WP:COMMERCIAL. WP:SIRS is not part of the commercial requirements, but part of the top level "Primary criteria" section. WP:GNG doesn't spell it out as forcefully as WP:SIRS does, but says "'Sources' [used to establish notability] should be secondary sources ..." I can substitute that language for what I said about WP:SIRS in the nomination if you prefer, but the thrust of my argument remains the same.

It's true that Comilla Polytechnic Institute (1962) is one of the oldest government polytechnics in what is now Bangladesh, but the same can be said of the other 20 or so that were set up between 1955 and 1964. About 30 more have been established, I think all since 2000. Very little has been written about them individually, but some sources cover them collectively, so I believe a redirect to an article that treats them as a group is best. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The GNG doesn't "spell it out as forcefully" as SIRS because the GNG doesn't agree with SIRS. Secondary sources are not necessarily rare; a source that says CPI is "one of the oldest" is a secondary source (because it's comparing it against other schools, and comparison is a form of analysis, and analysis is the hallmark of a secondary source).

IMO some of the best sources for schools are government agency reports that cover multiple schools. A report that says something like these are bigger than those, these are cheaper than those, these require higher test scores than those, etc. would be perfect for getting a decent little encyclopedia article together for each of the schools in the report. (Neither CORP nor GNG require a source to be exclusively about the subject, though obviously the parts of a source that discuss only 'School 1' are not useful for determining whether 'School 2' is notable.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No secondary sources to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Viktoriya Adiyeva

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Disputed PROD. Fails significant coverage criteria. Editor who disputed the PROD said there are lots of sources but did not add anything to the article and I can not find anything that would amount to significant coverage. Shrug02 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only find Fandom sites and wiki mirrors, none of which are notable. The one source used in the article is a listing only. I don't find enough sourcing to use for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 23:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

János Végső

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Entirely based on primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 16:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Relist~~ I think this one warrants more investigation. Significant coverage in the Hungarian Sports newspaper Nemzeti Sport such as [11] and [12]. Also some here on Blikk website.[13] A google search for his name and nemzeti sport shows multiple strong hits so may well be notable in Hungary. Canary757 (talk) 07:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above coverage (though the Nemzeti Sport links seem to be the same one), with even more coverage available in Hungarian language websites - Hatharom, Nemzeti Sport and interviewed in part in Bunteto. Interestingly, Nemzeti Sport in an article specifies that there was "another final success, but not from János"... that's gotta be at least some sign of notability that they've gotta specifically mention it wasn't him, right? Anyway, further research would benefit from using the Hungarian-language versions of his name - either "Végső János" or "Végső Jánosnak". ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Good extra source addedCanary757 (talk) 13:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2007 Comilla bus crash

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A WP:News article based on a brief burst of news coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2010 Papua New Guinea bus crash

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A WP:News article based on a brief burst of news coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Al Laith Group

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Fails WP:NCORP, this is also WP:ADMASQ 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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West of Scotland Schools Symphony Orchestra

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Last AfD was 17 years ago and no consensus. I'm not seeing any extensive coverage to meet GNG or WP:BAND. LibStar (talk) 18:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SKANS School of Accountancy

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Non-notable for-profit accounting school, fails WP:NORG. Gheus (talk) 16:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Gheus, did you search for sources in Arabic? Did you check the Pakistani newspapers? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that Pakistan is not an Arabic-speaking country, so asking me to do checks in Arabic is not ok. In Pakistani newspapers or magazines, I found this press release. This is a for-profit school and fails WP:NCORP criteria. Gheus (talk) 12:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of accounting schools in Pakistan. 103.82.120.79 (talk) 16:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, could not find any sources independent of it that are also not press releases. Fails WP:GNG Grumpylawnchair (talk) 05:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable per GNG. Quick search finds nothing beyond the usual directory listings and social media etc. profiles, and more to the point this article has had more than a decade for better sources to be added, yet no one has, so I can only assume they don't exist. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Kade

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non-notable musician, sourced entirely to blackhat SEO and the same "source". GRINCHIDICAE🎄 16:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, There's reporting on him from The New Times and so I added it in and he seems like a notable musician in Rwanda. He has a good career as a musician being both a solo artist and being reported by The New Times is very remarkable. Vikingsam (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The New Times is giving me pause; it feels like the coverage in Indian or Nigerian media, where it seems everyone is a superstar, but no one else bothers to report on their accomplishments. Way too many hits in the one newspaper for this to be a coincidence... Feels like a PROMO. I'm happy to be proven incorrect, but that's the impression I'm getting. Oaktree b (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment (I already !voted keep above) I think this hinges on if The New Times is a reliable source. I honestly don't know. Here's what I can ascertain:

It's the first listed newspapers on BBC for Rwanda newspapers https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14093244
The Wikipedia article and the BBC note it's proximity to government
Of course, plenty reliable sources are proximate to government, BBC, CBC, Al Jazeera, although I would suggest The New Times is not a reliable source for Rwandan politics.
The Wikipedia WP:RSPSS noticeboard is silent on The New Times. A search of the archive reveals nothing.

So my question is: does anyone have any evidence, any reason to assume it's a bad source? Vikingsam (talk) 11:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pratt & Whitney GG4

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I came across Ayres' History and Future of Technology and realized it copies substantial material from Wikipedia. This is explicitly acknowledged in the preface of the book, but there are still Wikipedia pages that cite it (without explicit qualification), in a case of citogenesis. Further, there are numerous passages from the book that are copied so closely to verbatim from Wikipedia, that they may be confused for copyviolations in the future. I'm taking on marking that reference as such to avoid this.

Pratt & Whitney GG4 is a particularly extreme case - all other references were copyviolations and were stripped from the article, leaving only the circular reference to Ayres, who explicitly back links to the Wikipedia page as his only source. Is there a different source demonstrating notability? Tule-hog (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I replaced the Ayres reference. RecycledPixels (talk) 17:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - References fixed, and a quick gbooks check shows a couple of sources that could be used to expand the article. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pomodorino di Manduria

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It doesn't seem to be a noteworthy article. JacktheBrown (talk) 21:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment plant species are not something I would normally edit. I've added two references, one was take from the article prodotto agroalimentare tradizionale. I've included that ref (pdf) as I think it fulfills one of the criteria of WP:NBREED? Recognised under prodotto agroalimentare tradizionale? I am going to wait to see if someone from the plant project can confirm this? Knitsey (talk) 22:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Discussed in scholarly sources (as a cultivar; I don't know if I would use the Italian name for the article title); cited in Italian newspapers ([14]; [15]); described in the official Regional Register of Autoctonous Genetical Resources of the Apulia region ([16]). --cyclopia ^speak! 11:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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31st Marine Expeditionary Unit

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Half of the main text body is directly copied from https://www.31stmeu.marines.mil/About/History.aspx Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 17:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Corentin Rahier

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Susan Bryant

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Contested draftification of a mildly promotional bio. Sources do not support the subject's notability under WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. They are the subject's own writing ([17], [18], [19], [20], [21]) and official bios and thus WP:PRIMARYSOURCEs ([22], [23]) -- there is no WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable, independent sources. She does not seem to be widely cited or meet any other criteria of WP:NACADEMIC, and she does not meet WP:NAUTHOR as far as I can tell (I see one independent review for one of her co-authored works, and we'd need more). Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Citations do not stand out among those by other Susans Bryant so I do not see a pass of WP:PROF#C1, and I searched for book reviews with even less success than the nominator, so I do not see a pass of WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of men's footballers with the most official appearances (including youth internationals & reserves)

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duplicate of the article List of men's footballers with the most official appearances, except it also goes against a consensus sought at that article to exclude youth football and non-competitive games. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. If consensus goes against your wishes, the solution is not to maintain two alternative lists. Geschichte (talk) 04:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadhvi Prachi

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Got little coverage for some controversies but fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Capitals00 (talk) 16:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Levi9 Ukraine

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Fails the GNG and the company specific notability guideline. Created by a "Marketing and Social Media strategist". A redirect to Levi9 Global Sourcing is fine but I'm not sure that article meets the company notability guideline. Rolluik (talk) 16:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Olugbenro Oyekan

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Non-notable individual, fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO (no significant coverage in multiple secondary, independent, reliable sources afaics).
As for WP:NPROF, I think the only criterion that could potentially apply is criterion 6 (The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.), which (according to the notes for this criterion) may apply if the person has held the post of president or chancellor (or vice-chancellor in countries where this is the top academic post) of a significant accredited college or university, but [l]esser administrative posts (provost, dean, department chair, etc.) are generally not sufficient to qualify under Criterion 6 alone (the same goes for an appointment as an acting president/chancellor/vice-chancellor). As stated in the article, the subject does seem to be the vice president of (and dean at) the International School of Management (ISM) Lagos (no Wikipedia article; official website), an accredited private business school. However, given that a brochure by and for the school ([24]) lists a president, I'm concluding that vice president is indeed not the top post, which is why I don't believe this criterion is satified, and thus I would argue that the subject fails WP:NPROF as well. Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 16:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NPROF and nothing to establish WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NPROF. Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The sources are not able to fulfill the general notability criteria. Being a dean and vice president of an institution does not confer automatic notability for academics. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 03:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appin (company)

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Appin closed in 2013. The article is facing a string of changes where there may be a WP:SOCK (see latest changes). Delete according to WP:ATTACK which summarizes that the article has a denigrating purpose, rather than an informational one. WP:NPOV and WP:LBL, because the article is only about calmony even if it is quoted by notable media sources. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I verified that the first deletion was met with a string of blocks, which is why decided to send an initial message to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org, following which agreed to initiate these discussions directly.--Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As article creator; company clearly meets WP:GNG. If nom has WP:ATTACK or WP:NPOV concerns, could those get discussed on the talk page before going to AfD? If there are WP:ATTACK or WP:NPOV issues on an article for a notable subject, the remedy is to address the issues on the page, not delete. NickCT (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article's contribution history demonstrates that this article cannot be remedy, because a string of possible WP:SOCK editors update the article against these policies. Obviously, meets WP:GNG but this is not enough for the article to be kept. Because this article does not describe the company and (only controversies and legal acts). Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 15:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which editors percisely are you calling possible WP:SOCKs? Regardless, even if you're right, can't we just remove whatever content they've added? NickCT (talk) 15:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per the previous AfD, which clearly shows the article meets WP:NORG. Deletion is not an appropriate solution for the concerns highlighted by the nominator. Astaire (talk) 17:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as it clearly meets WP:NORG with multiple significant in-depth and independent articles.
I don't think it's appropriate to call out particular accounts as socks -- that's for SPI -- but the article has been of particular interest to accounts with a short edit history. Certainly accounts like @NoWarNoPeace and @John Bukka took an interest in the article early in their editing careers and then ended up blocked. It's likely there are multiple-account editors active on the article now. But I've watchlisted it for some time and it seems editing has been on a reasonably healthy path - recently a new account removed what looked like a good cite, and another account put it back with an edit summary, nothing to see here. Oblivy (talk) 21:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That Girl (trend)

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Contains little to no reliable sourcing and was created as part of a Wiki Education assignment. Ornov Ganguly TALK 12:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Significant coverage exists, across multiple major outlets across the world. That it was part of a Wiki Education assignment is entirely unrelated to notability; the fact we're getting articles for subjects that are probably of more interest to younger readers is a credit to that project. :JeffUK 12:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The onus would be on you to locate some of those sources and to ensure they are reliable. There's a Cosmopolitan article and a Glam article, but they aren't much. Ornov Ganguly TALK 14:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are clearly some sources available CBC News, Michigan Daily, Health digest . Honestly, I got burned trying to find more, clicked on some magazine that tried to install ALL the viruses on my laptop, so I'm letting this one lie for now! JeffUK 08:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The CBC and Michigan Daily articles are 404'd without Internet Archive backups. If the CBC one is what we already have in the article, it's passable, but the Health Digest one just summarizes the Refinery29 article. It's hardly four paragraphs long. The trouble with most of these sources is that they are trying to capitalise on a microtrend. There is no longevity here to make it deserving of an article. It would be better served as part of another article. Ornov Ganguly TALK 13:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think rather than for deletion, this could be moved into an Internet trends category. There are definitely credible sources that mention this and to suggest that it had a slew of articles and even mentioned in academic books only in a certain time frame would disqualify a lot of articles on Wikipedia. raisecain (talk) 15:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That specific discussion is happening here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Internet_aesthetic Ornov Ganguly TALK 17:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There was a brief blast of coverage in 2021, with the CBC article in the article and this [25], [26]... I'm not showing any lasting effect of the "Trend". Could be briefly mentioned in an article about internet memes/trends in 2021 or something similar. Oaktree b (talk) 14:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Stylist (magazine) had an article mentioning that videos with the "that girl" tag got 2 billion views on Tiktok. More recently, I found a Her Campus article from this year titled Is “That Girl” Still a Trend? which states

The “that girl” trend transitioned into the “vanilla girl aesthetic” with warmer scents and colors. Some still refer to the clean aesthetic as a “that girl” aesthetic but “that girl” aesthetic branched into “vanilla girl aesthetic”, “baddie aesthetic”, the “night luxe aesthetic”, etc.

Which would seem to imply the trend has largely evaporated into subsequent trends. However they later state:

Recently, this trend has gotten a lot of heat for being a part of the larger trend of toxic productivity and “hustle culture”

Which would seem to imply that people are still talking about it. The section links to the Aesthetics wiki (no way to know how recent) and 2 year old Topix (website) article which criticizes it while also stating that it seems here to stay.

One TikTok trend that seems to be here to stay? “That Girl.” While on the surface it’s all about being your best self mentally, physically, and professionally, therapists say this idea is actually toxic—here’s why.

A UVU Review article this year compares it to the It girl trend.

Gotham (magazine) did an interview with TikToker Kaeli Mae where she stated:

Definitely the clean girl aesthetic. Even back when I started four years ago, it was referred to as like “That Girl” and they still refer to it as that, but I feel like the trend of “That Girl” or “Clean Girl” is always there. I think it will always be there. It just maybe has different names at some points, but it all revolves around the same aesthetic.

InStyle had an article this year about "clean girl" aesthetic which supports an unclear relationship to "that girl".

Maximal in regards to their career goals ("That Girl"), the clean girl is minimalist when it comes to beauty and fashion

Elle (India) has an article from this year that also ambiguously equivocates "clean girl" with "that girl".

The reason I support keeping the article is because it is part of a significant and enduring women's self-improvement and aesthetics trend that is ambiguously defined leaving no clear merge target. Photos of Japan (talk) 01:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Here's the CBC article [27], for what it is. Oaktree b (talk) 16:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish Airlines Flight 1878

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT. Per WP:GNG, "sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability". From what I've been able to find, none of the sources were secondary in nature since none of them contained analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the event itself. The event does not have significant, in-depth, nor sustained continued coverage of the event itself with coverage only briefly occurring in the aftermath of the accident. No lasting effects or long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom: only immediate news coverage, no lasting effects or in-depth analysis. The event is already mentioned at Turkish Airlines § Incidents and accidents and Atatürk Airport § Accidents and incidents; there's slightly more detail at the latter page that could potentially be added to the former, but I don't think there's anything further here that deserves a merge !vote. Rosbif73 (talk) 14:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per WP:NOTNEWS. Has no continued coverage. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 21:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amaire Johnson

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Another case of a songwriter with prolific credits with notable musicians, but who has received little to no coverage of their own. In this case, there is that Visionary Artist Magazine (source I've never heard of and cannot speak to its reliability) piece, though I can only see the first paragraph of it for some reason. But that alone is not a sufficient amount of coverage, and the rest is just Johnson's name being brought up in the context of credits on other artists' songs without any in-depth discussion of Johnson's contributions. None of this applies to NBAND's standards. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Associated with major acts, but nothing strictly about this individual. The NPR and CBC articles are about different people. I'm not seeing enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cassie Petrey

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Mildly promotional biography of a music marketer who fails WP:NBIO, WP:GNG; moved to mainspace after being declined at AFC. She seems to have received some coverage for a past connection to Britney Spears, but her notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from Spears. The coverage of this connection is also tabloid coverage (Mirror, Daily Soap Dish, People), which is disallowed for establishing notability per WP:SBST. The remaining sources are limited to:

WP:ROUTINE coverage in WP:TRADES publication MusicRow ([28], [29], [30], [31], [32])
WP:PRIMARYSOURCE Q&A interviews ([33], [34], [35], [36], [37])
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs ([38], [39])
Promotional material like coverage in Forbes of a Forbes-sponsored panel discussion ([40])

As for her 30 Under 30 listings ([41], [42]), there is no consensus that these are the kinds of awards that would make someone independently notable under WP:ANYBIO. (The Forbes 30 under 30 is "awarded" to 1,230 people each year across geographies and industries so is not a rare honor.) I didn't find any other qualifying coverage in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is nothing more than a glorified CV. No valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC) striking locked user's comment. Toadspike [Talk] 13:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I believe Cassie Petrey's Wikipedia page meets the notability criteria for individuals in the field of business and entertainment. Her contributions to the industry have been covered in notable publications such as Forbes, Billboard, and Rolling Stone, showcasing her influence and accomplishments.

Key points supporting her notability include:

Leadership in innovative digital marketing campaigns for globally known artists, including Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys.
Recognition in authoritative industry outlets and her inclusion in the Forbes 30 Under 30 list.
Active contributions to discussions about artist-fan engagement in the digital age through interviews and articles.

The page provides verifiable sources documenting her work and impact, aligning with Wikipedia's content policies. Deleting this page would remove a valuable figure in the modern entertainment and marketing industries. 24eeWikiUser (talk) 12:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@24eeWikiUser Did you use ChatGPT or a similar program to generate this text? GPTZero gives this a 100% probability of being WP:AIGENERATED. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Leadership in digital marketing campaigns" is promotional language, I'm sure this is. Oaktree b (talk) 18:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: News items are about Spears and her social media, not particularly about this person. Outside of the Spears items, i don't see notability. The 30 under 30 lists don't contribute to notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cossacks (video games series)

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No clear evidence this is independently notable as a series or passes WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Cossacks: European Wars as an ATD. It's unnecessary that the games be lumped like this, but I think the first game in the series is a fine target. Conyo14 (talk) 00:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hayden Jones

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet the requirements at WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. I am not finding enough sources that are independent of the subject and amount to significant coverage. Almost all of the references on this article are just routine match coverage. May just be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Adamtt9 (talk) 13:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nom. Has not achieved anything worth having an article for. Only non-routine match report coverage is based primarily on his sister and notability is not inherited. Shrug02 (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sukhdev Singh Gogamedi

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He got the attention in news media when he was allegedly shot by notorious gangster Lawrence Bishnoi gang and he was also a president of state level organisation i.e., Shree Rashtriya Rajput Karni Sena. But we do not create pages for presidents of caste based state organisations like Rajasthan Jat Mahasabha or Rajput Karni Sena of Rajasthan. If you see the sources then in almost all sources it is about “he shot by bishnoi gang”. I think he fails WP:GNG because he got attention only due to single event of being shot by alleged notorious gangster. TheSlumPanda (talk) 12:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gravitomagnetic

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Stub created replacing a redirect. There is already a section in Gravitoelectromagnetism, pages Gravitomagnetic time delay and Gravitomagnetic clock effect as well as other mentions. Plus, while this page claims to be general, it really only describes the work of Ken Nordtvedt. I cannot justify this page existing, everything is elsewhere, I don't see how it adds anything useful. Also, why does the main section include Redaction in the title, a person attack? Ldm1954 (talk) 12:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The main section Kenneth Nordvedt Redaction is a straight copy from the page Kenneth Nordvedt. There is also another page with, it appears, the same information at Nordtvedt effect. Probably some more deletion/merging needed. Ldm1954 (talk) 12:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the cut-and-pasted content. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salim Yahya al-Kharega

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Appears to fail WP:GNG. Uhooep (talk) 12:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2002 Mexican Figure Skating Championships

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I am also nominating the following related pages:

Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Mexican Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Mexican Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Non-notable competitions that are poorly sourced too. All should be deleted. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 19:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all Not understanding why the nom could've just done this instead of having these articles stuck for a week in limbo outside of airing grievances about tropical nations having figure skating competitions despite not being in a position to medal in the worlds/Olympics. Nate • (chatter) 23:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1999–2000 New Zealand Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to New Zealand Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, New Zealand Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect all Not understanding why the nom could've just done this instead of having these articles stuck for a week in limbo outside of airing grievances about tropical nations having figure skating competitions despite not being in a position to medal in the worlds/Olympics. Nate • (chatter) 23:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mindinventory

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Non-notable company. All sources are PR, and I found no reliable sources online. Also promotional in tone. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you please suggest on how to improve this as a writer. Samarpatel (talk) 12:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:NORG and WP:SIRS). No WP:RS and WP:IS. QEnigma talk 15:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Harshada Pathare

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The article on Harshada Pathare fails to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for authors and filmmakers. The references cited are primarily from non-independent or low-quality sources, such as News24, Yahoo Finance, and promotional platforms like the Tagore International Film Festival’s own website. These sources lack the depth and reliability required to establish significant coverage or independent notability. Additionally, the article has a promotional tone, which violates Unambiguous Advertising or Promotion. The subject's notable achievements, including awards and books, are not adequately supported by independent, verifiable sources.

There is also a possible Conflict of Interest, as this subject has a significant creation and deletion history dating back to 2018, with five drafts and one main space article being deleted under G11. It is unlikely that this repeated effort to create the article is coincidental, especially considering the subject's limited notability as evidenced by their sparse Google presence. This raises questions about why multiple attempts have been made to establish this page, despite a lack of substantial independent coverage.

Upon further investigation, the creator of this page appears to have a pattern of creating articles with extensive personal data, often citing only one or two references. This raises concerns about verifiability and how the creator is obtaining such detailed information when it is not publicly available. These issues, combined with the lack of reliable, independent sources and a promotional tone, warrant deletion of this article for failing to meet Wikipedia’s standards for notability, neutrality, and verifiability. Kriji Sehamati (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete All the sources in this article run afoul of WP:NEWSORGINDIA - unless some better sources can be found that confirm notability we should probalby delete. Simonm223 (talk) 16:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep The references provided for Harshada Pathare are from reliable and trusted portals supporting the notability. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 07:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Morteza Khoshbakht

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Fails notability, this was deleted once but recreated with more or less the same thing. I have to repeat what I wrote first time. the article just has a bunch of refs without much to say, from what I found he is a former world youth/cadet (not junior) champion back in 1996 but that's not enough to make him notable. he never won anything in junior or senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 10:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG in WP:NATH. No WP:RS and WP:IS for WP:V. QEnigma talk 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pagini Juridice

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First, some context: this article forms part of a WP:Walled garden created by User:ATuschinski about his family members. The article on the founder of the journal that forms the subject of this nomination just got torched. Second, the case for deletion is straightforward: lack of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Almost every citation is to the journal itself. The one significant exception, the article by Mircea Duțu, devotes approximately half a line to this publication: see here, top of page 220. There is nothing to establish encyclopedic notability here. Biruitorul ^Talk 10:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not satisfy WP:NJOURNAL. The article is a blatant WP:COATRACK created by the promotional ATuschinski account to allow further lionisation of his non-notable ancestors and their run-of-the-mill endeavours. Axad12 (talk) 11:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I took a look at this article yesterday in light of the other Tuschinski family-history articles and I almost nominated it for deletion myself. It's clear that this is what is what some call a "walled-garden" of articles and that it is an effort to promote the Tuschinski family, as well as their works; WP:COI and WP:NPOV apply to this orchestration of family-history articles. No disrespect is intended towards the family itself, however Wikipedia is not the right venue for this. The creator of these article should please consider setting up a personal website for this, or using social media or venues like Ancestry.com instead. As stated in the nomination, the article is essentially self-sourced to the journal that was founded and was edited by a Tuschinski); the article was created by a family member who also wrote a self-published book on the founder. Lots of connections here. The journal does not meet WP:GNG nor WP:NJOURNAL either; journals do not have inherent notability, nor do they inherit notability from those who write for them, nor those who are written about in the journal, nor those who publish them. A BEFORE search does not find independent significant coverage in reliable sources about the journal itself. Netherzone (talk) 17:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amanpulo

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The resort which covers Pamalican island fails WP:GNG. Only sources are from travel guides. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Pamalican. I don't think it makes sense to have two separate articles about the resort and the island when they both occupy the same area. —seav (talk) 03:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Pamalican per the same reason as Seav's. Though it got me thinking, are both subjects (the resort and the island) notable enough to have an article? AstrooKai (Talk) 08:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AEYE Health

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AEYE Health does not appear to meet WP:ORG. In going through the sources, they appear to be press releases or otherwise connected with the company, and the very small number of exceptions do not appear to be significant. There is material out there, but nothing that I think passes WP:ORG, as I cannot find material which is clearly both independent and significant. Hopefully someone can do a better job than I did, but at the moment I cannot find enough to get this past the requirements. - Bilby (talk) 11:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Bilby, I see there are several generic sources like Reuters or Fortune, while others, such as the British Journal of Ophthalmology, Modern Retina, and Ophthalmology Times, appear to be specialized journals in the field. Additionally, we're talking about an entity that is bringing significant changes to the sector thanks to the use of innovations such as Artificial Intelligence, supported by studies. Do you have any specific suggestions on how to enrich the entry? Can I ask the company to send me better materials so I can submit them for your review and that of other editors? Thanks! Dirindalex1988 (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mallzee

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Mallzee shut down in 2021. The article was flagged for neutrality and promotional content in August 2017, it is written mostly like a self-interested ad, and with the lack of any changes to rectify those issues or any edits to indicate the business shut down evidences minimal interest in article. At present, I feel the article doesn't provide encyclopaedic value and given the years of opportunity since the closure of the business without as much as an update indicating such, I doubt the quality of this article will improve. ~ Chip 🐺 08:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't believe it passes WP:NORG, even considering some articles, the coverage was incidental. ~ Chip 🐺 08:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maxwell Gratton

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Nominated by Ponyshine as not notable. (But the AFD was broken; I'm just fixing that and the discussion page.) -- Beland (talk) 08:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arcadia Global School Dubai

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There are no independent reliable sources with significant coverage that are not reviews, guides or PR pieces using the same images. The sources do not pass the WP:SIRS check and fails NCORP. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 08:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ankur Malik

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This subject fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, the sources that mention him are poor and do not provide WP:SIGCOV. Nxcrypto Message 07:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lack of significant coverage, fails WP:GNG. Robo^Cric Let's chat 11:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jamalon

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Fails WP:GNG; WP:NCORP and NOTCRUNCHBASE very much applies here. Defunct - mostly Arabic - booksales website/POD operation in the Middle East, first in Jordan then the UAE. It started up, it closed down. There is no enduring impact or change in the market that resulted from its existence. The only likely ATD would be a redirect to Fadi Ghandour, but at the most it would be one of hundreds, if not thousands, of investments that Ghandour has made - and it's not really outstanding or worthy of a merge at his page. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:PROMO, part of a network of questionable articles. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 04:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Geschichte (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vampirefreaks.com

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Does not appear to be a notable company. The only reliable sources I could find that covered it were passing mentions to the website as a result of the Murder of Carly Ryan. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment references 1, 2 and 3 are the subjects websites. Ref 4, passing mention. Ref 5, they've organised a festival which is a 3 day event and touted as 'America’s largest 3-day gothic-industrial music festival and convention'. Ref 6 is a interview with one of the owners. Ref 7 now points to a casino website. Ref 8 another 'Dark Force event page which doesn't give any real detail about Vampire.com. Ref 9 is another interview. I will have another search before voting, but there doesn't seem to be anything indicating notability per WP:GNG. (Further edit) I've had a look gor referencs. I've added one from Kerrang about the network site closure. The only other references I can find are a tenuous connection to the murder mentioned above. Knitsey (talk) 23:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete You're supposes to guess @Liz! Doesn't meet WP:WEB or WP:GNG Knitsey (talk) 13:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maoist Communist Party (France)

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Fails WP:ORG. Every source given is from the organisation itself or a Maoist blog site, except one by the conservative tabloid Diario Correo, which mentions the French organisation in passing. Online searches in English, French, and Spanish return zero reliable sources, and I doubt such sources will be found in print offline. Yue🌙 06:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I found multiple sources in French which discuss the party, especially in relation to the Gilets jaunes: "Morts aux porcs": de violents tags anti-police en plein Paris, "De Rugy Escroc on te fera payer": qui est le Parti Communiste Maoïste qui revendique ce tag?, Nantes. Tags sur son mur de résidence : qui menace François de Rugy?, Vice interview with a PCM member, Montpellier: le préfet accuse des groupes révolutionnaires communistes d'infiltrer les manifestations des gilets jaunes, Droite identitaire, gauche radicale : quand les extrêmes gonflent les rangs des Gilets jaunes. Need to look at this further, but "zero" reliable sources appears incorrect. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 15:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The party is underground now but still actively exists, but it clearly needs updates and translations. DuCouscous (talk) 12:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Internet aesthetic

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This is largely an essay lackign a sourced defintion of "internet aesthetic" and collection of topics that aren't supported through any source suggesting their connection to this term. This is largely WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. There is one source from Vogue in 2022 that references "internet aesthetics" but not in connection to wide range of examples provided here. ZimZalaBim ^talk 05:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Presents a list of things that are somewhat related, more of a meme or trends than any sort of related aesthetic items. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All of this is synthesis. Just because an aethetic or design or fashion is popular in the modern day and is discussed on the internet does not mean it is an "internet aethetic". That's just how the world works now, not a substantive cohesive concept: "that usually originates from the Internet or is popularized on it" – very little in the last 20 years wasn't popularized on the internet, so this is a meaningless characteristic unless you are just fluffing up the most recent and niche trends. "micro-trends such as mob wife and tomato girl summer" Groan. Which sources actually bring the concepts here together? Reywas92^Talk 14:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete For all reasons above. At most, this might be best suited as a category for worthwhile articles such as Corecore, dark academia, light academia, and so on. Only problem is that the title is itself a wholesale invention. I don't think it's influenced the popular literature to remain as . Ornov Ganguly TALK 17:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I agree with the nom and the arguments presented that the article is a synthesis of original research. Perhaps in a few years if scholarly books or articles are written about this topic it will become notable. At this time it is not. Netherzone (talk) 18:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Agree with everyone else. History being a definition of aesthetic with a line from Vogue tacked on? Seems like a desperate, last minute high school essay more than an article. There are individual elements which might be able to stand on their own, but as a whole it's all over the place. Tengu99 (talk) 03:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep I don't understand why everyone wants this deleted, the pageviews showcase notability and I wouldn't consider it original research, maybe synthesis but ut has still managed to get 90k pageviews this year alone. This0k (talk) 19:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pageviews does not establish notability. See WP:POPULARPAGE. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is an essay. Essays have nothing to do with policy or guidelines, they are opinion. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, and I suspect most editors here respect the views expressed at WP:ATA. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Respect is fine but is not a policy or guideline. Many editors name essays as if they were canon, they are not. They are opinion and have nothing to do with deletion close decisions (or at least shouldn't). Sources have been found and listed for this topic, and that should be enough, per GNG, to keep the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move - There's a lot of well researched and cited information here. We should discuss moving them to their relevant pages, I wouldn't want us to lose all of this. But yes, the article name and scope is weird so it can be deleted. Egezort (talk) 12:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep per This0k and search engine results such as this descriptor, and this art and popular culture site, and many more. Just search for the term and articles, dictionary definitions, videos, etc. appear. When a page receives 90 thousand views a year it has real-world connections and real-world definitions (readers aren't searching for this out of the blue or in a hypnotic state, they came here to find out about internet aesthetics). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination mentions a lack of sourced definitions, here is a link to some (disregard the first, Wikipedia, and look beyond that, such as this long and detailed screenshot article). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. While the majority of sources are unusable, the Glamour article, this First Monday article, and potentially this German one are all usable. Ornov Ganguly TALK 12:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Clearly significant coverage of this, not in stuffy academic literature yet, but that's not a requirement for notability. I've spot-checked a couple of the listed aesthetics and found multiple people referring to them as 'Internet Aesthetics', or found them on lists of 'Internet Aesthetics' of course if things on this list are not called 'Internet Aesthetics' they shouldn't be there, and can be removed. (If that happens to leave us with the two that I picked at random, a delete might be appropriate!) JeffUK 11:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Move - Coverage about the topic exists but the information should be rewritten to fit an encyclopedic tone.

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Keep - The article definitely needs some refreshing but the topic is a significant/noteworthy topic in contemporary culture, per the others 𝙨𝙥𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧-𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙗𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚^(🕷) ^- ^(✉) 09:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also it seems sometime in 2024, someone deleted and rewrote the definition section (the previous text) which previously contained sources along with removing some of the information in history 𝙨𝙥𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧-𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙗𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚^(🕷) ^- ^(✉) 09:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete: While there has been significant coverage, the article does not entirely read like something that should be on wikipedia. Aesthetics might be widely reported on and worthy of an article, but does wikipedia really need an entire list of all of these aesthetics? Perhaps the more notable ones can be included in a list category, instead of in an article. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 12:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete My comments are similar to those of Reywas92, so not worth repeating by me.Plasticwonder (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:TOOSOON The premise is that such a thing as "internet aesthetic" exists and the laundry list of current fashions falls into that aesthetic. No reliable sourcing supports the premise. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: this Atlantic article does a good job covering the rise of the Aesthethics wiki and defining internet aesthetics as a "a collection of signifiers or, more precisely, a “vibe.”" They do a good job discussing how these aesthetics allow for the articulation, and classification of many different feelings/moods/subcultures/etc. Towards the end they state:

It’s easy to dismiss aesthetics, particularly some of the wackier ones, as superficial and frivolous. But Alexander Cho, a digital-media researcher at UC Santa Barbara, told me that they can be “really important, especially for young adults in terms of creating or fashioning a self.” If you have a hunch about who you are, it’s incredibly easy now to search for images and ideas that help you refine that sense of self.

On the opposite end this Vox article on aesthethics criticizes them as fleeting, hollow and commercial. Prospect magazine did a similar article. I can definitely understand how compared to hippies, goth, punk, etc., these niche aesthetic subcultures can seem inconsequential and like short-lived trends of the past. But there is a long-term movement away from large-scale countercultures towards niche subcultures, which makes comparing them anachronistic. The physical ecosystems of the past (clothing stores, music concerts, magazines, etc.) could only sustain a limited number of subcultures, so people outside of the mainstream only had limited groups to join, and this inflated their numbers. The current digital ecosystem (social media sites, online shopping, etc.) can support a wide diversity of niche subcultures which the larger subcultures are splintering into.

Individually most of these aesthetics subcultures are not notable, but collectively they are a sizeable movement that currently has no other article to be discussed in. Photos of Japan (talk) 02:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Of the three sources cited by the last user, none of them use the term "internet aesthetic" (one says "internet aestheticization", though). To me this argues that the label is an attempt to tie together different things in an WP:OR way. I don't have a strong keep/delete opinion. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 13:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Vox article uses both "online aesthetic" and "digital aesthetic". In reality these are just referred to as "aesthetic" most of the time, but when trying to discuss them and clearly differentiate them from regular aesthetics people sometimes put an adjective in front of them. This article could be renamed something like Aesthetic (internet). Photos of Japan (talk) 16:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is precisely the problem with pretty much all sources attempted. They talk about aesthetics that happen to be common/connected to the internet, but that doesn't make them an "internet aesthetic". Just because people find examples of cottagecore online doesn't make it an "internet aesthetic. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 17:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a problem with the sources though, but a problem with the article. The article should just refer to these as "aesthetics" and probably be named something along the lines of Aesthetics (parenthetical differentiator), but there's no clear word to put in the parentheses to differentiate it from the Aesthetics article. Photos of Japan (talk) 19:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - the use of sources which don't use the term, a "definition" which is uncited (and possibly created by AI), and the random list of examples which talk about different aesthetics, all suggest WP:OR by synthesis, an editorial attempt to create a topic where nothing noteworthy exists. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify due to the presence of sources such as the ones identified by Photos of Japan. The addition of these may enable the article to pass WP:GNG.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DesiMoore, you're 'draftify' should be a 'Keep', because whether or not if sources have been transferred to the page, if they've been found and mentioned in this discussion that confirms notability and GNG on the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a collection of loosely-connected subjects which could be considered "internet aesthetics"; essentially it's WP:OR. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There have been two recurring concerns brought up here: that the grouping of aesthetics here is WP:OR, and that internet aesthetics lack WP:SIGCOV. Discussion has been fragmented, so I will comprehensively address both here.

WP:OR/WP:SYNTH concerns

There are two practical methods for determining what counts as an internet aesthetic for the purpose of being incorporated into this article. For the first, any entry in the Aesthetics Wiki can simply be considered an aesthetic. The Aesthetics Wiki has wide currency as the space on the internet where aesthetics are being documented and catalogued, with multiple rs's that go in depth on internet aesthetics primarily referencing the wiki ([43][44][45]).

For the second practical method, anything containing a common aesthetic suffix or which commonly has "aesthetic" appended to the end of it can be considered an internet aesthetic for this article. For instance, "Clean Girl" is often referred to as "Clean Girl aesthetic" ([46] [47]). Common aesthetic suffixes include “core” (e.g., cottagecore), “goth” (e.g., cybergoth), “kei” (e.g., cult party kei), “punk” (e.g., sea punk), “wave” (e.g., sovietwave), and “academia” (e.g., dark academia)

WP:SIGCOV

Just glancing at the references section and looking at their titles shows that "aesthetics" in the internet sense is in widespread use by reliable sources. However, the main concern people have is whether there is significant coverage to establish them as a concept. This is unequivocally the case with multiple sources delving in depth into aesthetics:

With these (and others) there is enough to write fairly sizeable history, definition, and criticism sections. A concern that has been raised is that these do not all use the term "internet aesthetic". Many terms are used: "online aesthetic", "digital aesthetic", "micro aesthetic", etc. Most commonly they are simply called "aesthetics" (it is tangential to the discussion of notability, but I believe this article should simply refer to them as "aesthetics" and be renamed something like Aesthetic (internet)). Regardless of what they call it, it is clear they are all referring to the same concept, and are referring to things which would be considered internet aesthetics by the two practical methods described earlier.

Issues concerning the article lacking a cited definition, or other content issues have been raised, but should be addressed through editing. The lack of a cited definition is not due to lack of sources trying to define aesthetics, but due to the difficulty in defining them. I am working on a summary of how different sources have discussed its usage, but it is a linguistically complex issue and will likely take a few days. Photos of Japan (talk) 08:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sharan Kaur Pabla

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"Sharan Kaur" was a fictional character created by the author Vir Singh in a fictional novel. There are literally no reliable sources to support that "Sharan Kaur" was an actual historical figure. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 07:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG. Even disregarding the inaccuracies, this article has only one source supporting it. A Google search found some websites which support his existence, such as this one, but this website is far from noteworthy coverage nor is it a reliable source. Even the most popular result, from SikhiWiki, cites Wikipedia as a reference, making it unusable. Jordano^5³ 07:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jhala Manna

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This article was previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jhala Man Singh and recreated under a different title with sufficient differences that G4 speedy deletion was declined.

However, the recreated version still does not show that the subject passes WP:GNG or WP:NBIO.

Most sources have one or a handful of passing or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the subject (A History of Rajasthan, A History of Mewar, Battle of Haldighati, Jhālā rājavaṃsa, Mewar Saga, Mewar & the Mughal Emperors, and Maharana Pratap: The Invincible Warrior.
In addition to having trivial mentions, some sources are also considered of questionable reliability per WP:RAJ, such as Tod's Annals of Rajasthan
One source is WP:SELFPUBLISH: Sacred Mysteries from vanity publisher by Notion Press.
Chiefs and Leading Families in Rajputana has no mention of Jhala Man Singh/Man Singh Jhala/Jhala Bida/Jhala Manna/Jhala Sardar or any other configuration of his names.
Another "source" is a poem.
The final source is an e-commerce site.

No evidence of WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources is found in a WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Still not seeing notability, sources are as explained above, not much for showing notability. I still don't find any sources we can sue. Oaktree b (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Notable person. Mentioned in many sources. He played a significant role in the Battle of Haldighati. Lordo'Web (talk) 19:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete article without notability. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 03:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Geschichte (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vampire Beach

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Cites no sources, couldn't find any, doesn't look notable at all. I was mildly surprised to find that the book exists at all, although it does seem to! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I very vaguely remember these being released back in the day, when I was working at a bookstore. If I remember correctly, this series was intended to capitalize on the popularity of series like Twilight, Gossip Girl, and Pretty Little Liars. Quite a few publishers were trying to capture that lightning in a bottle that those series obtained. In any case, it didn't really get much mainstream attention - I can't find anything out there to suggest otherwise either. This released, sold well enough to warrant a few books in the series, but just never received any coverage in places that Wikipedia would see as a reliable, notability-giving source. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lisette Titre-Montgomery

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No SIGCOV, I can only find 1 independent, non-sponsored, in-depth, and reliable source. Bearian, just because we're scrutinized by the public doesn't mean we need to keep articles that are not within policy. In fact, we should be making every effort to delete articles out of policy. The book user:Megalibrarygirl added (from my one-in-the-morning skim of Google Books) appears to be fairly trivial, stating facts and that's 'bout it. Jay Cubby 06:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I wrote this article and there's plenty of coverage for GNG. Please look at the full set of sources the article uses. They include:

Changing the Equation: 50+ Women in STEM Published by Abrams 2020
Coverage on NPR: Changing the Game in Video Gaming 2013
Biography on BlackPast: [48] 2018
Women in Gaming 2018 DK Publishing biography
Business Insider from 2015 [49]
Gaming magazine [50] 2024
Biography on Centre for Computing History [51]

As shown above, the subject of the article has been noticed by important people in her field, such as the Computer History museum. The assertion that books made for general consumption are trivial is not an argument for deletion. What is a trivial book to one person is not trivial to others and can still be a good source of reliable information. Non-fiction books by large publishers (Such as Abrams) go through a good amount of copyedit and scrutiny. In addition, books for general consumption show that a person is notable in their field enough to break through to the general public which is why they are included in 2 popular reading anthologies. With all of the coverage from several sources over time, including two books, the article demonstrates WP:GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Megalibrarygirl. ~ A412 ^talk! 22:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Megalibrarygirl here. I saw this delete nomination and started looking through the sources. This looks pretty solid to me. An aside that normally wouldn't matter, but warrants a little mention here → Megalibrarygirl is by profession a librarian. — Maile (talk) 02:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sam McCandless

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Been sitting in the unclear notability pile for 10+ years now, and it cites only one source that doesn't help for NBIO or GNG. There's one mag profile that doesn't go into much real depth but I guess could help, but I couldn't find anything else. WP:BANDMEMBER is pretty clear that members don't automatically inherit notability from the band, so I don't see a NMUSIC pass either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Cold (band). Plasuible redirect and it appears to be the only band he released music with. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slipz

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:ANYBIO, his only notability is being a cameraman for a streamer. No reliable source used either. Http iosue (talk) 05:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG in WP:CREATIVE. Limited to no WP:V. Mostly indirect news articles and user created content. QEnigma talk 14:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

American Equestrian Trade Association

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Fails WP:NORG. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Currently defunct.Seems to have been created by COI user. Imcdc Contact 04:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Senco Gold Limited

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This article fails WP:NORG , the sources listed here do not provide the coverage required by stringent WP:CORPDEPTH and most sources I found in WP:BEFORE search were unusable for establishing notability as they fell under the purview of WP:NEWSORGINDIA, the history of socking and undisclosed paid editing can't be overlooked either, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Soumya511569- Ratnahastin (talk) 05:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bananana

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Neither List of programmes broadcast by ntv7 nor List of programmes broadcast by 8TV (Malaysian TV network) mentions anything named Bananana. Also, Banananas Music is a partial title match. So, a disambiguation page like this is not needed. GTrang (talk) 04:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This appears more as if it were created from search engine results rather than from content found on Wikipedia, therefore making it functionally useless. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Banana (disambiguation) Plausible misspelling; the 8TV block is actually mentioned on List of programmes broadcast by TV3 (Malaysia) so that was in error, and it seems like it moved to NTV7 during a time 8TV carried Nickelodeon programming instead, so it's a duplicate mention. Whatever the case, mention on the dab page as a secondary spelling is proper. Nate • (chatter) 23:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zemun Stadium

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Non-notable soccer stadium that fails both WP:GNG and WP:NARENA, which holds that athletic stadia are neither presumptively notable nor inherit the notability of any teams that play there. Significant coverage has not been demonstrated to exist, the article has been inadequately sourced for over fifteen years now (and was notability tagged for 12 years), its only current source is primary. Previous AfD went keep on the basis of several "It's notable," "It's big," and "Important games have been played there," among other illegitimate reasons. Ravenswing 09:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete zero notability established. Sole source is from the home club, their website also doesn't appear to exist anymore. Looking at the previous AfD (which you also nominated), all of the keep arguments completely violated WP:INHERIT and WP:NARENA (which some of them even used as a keep argument), and the closing admin looks to have simply done a vote count. Aydo h8^[contribs] 10:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to either Zemun#Sport or FK Zemun if no coverage is found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would run afoul of WP:XY. Ravenswing 04:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To fix WP:XY, I would say redirect to Zemun#Sport if no coverage is found because the topic is broader than FK Zemun. --Habst (talk) 15:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection. Ravenswing 18:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be absolutely astounded if this isn't notable. I'll try to do a source search in a bit. SportingFlyer T·C 19:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per previous AFD which contains numerous sources. Giant Snowman 20:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which of those sources do you claim provides SIGCOV to the subject? (Never mind that the editor who found those sources went on to state that none of those sources satisfied the GNG) Ravenswing 05:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sources at the previous AfD demonstrate notability, along with [52] [53] and books such as Srbija: znamenitosti i lepote (1965) SportingFlyer T·C 21:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The other issue is this stadium is known by several different names, making BEFORE searches more difficult. Recent coverage also includes [54] [55] SportingFlyer T·C 02:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: None of the sources provided in this AfD or in the article contain the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. I'm not finding anything else that would suggest notability, and notability is not inherited. Let'srun (talk) 21:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nathalie Beasnael

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While it has been improved from its poor state after creation by a subsequently blocked sock, this is still a WP:PROMO biography for a non-notable individual. Sources are limited to:

The subject's own writing and thus WP:PRIMARYSOURCEs ([56], [57], [58], [59], [60], [61], [62], [63], [64])
WP:PRSOURCEs ([65], [66])
Churnalism based on interviews solely with or statements solely by the author (and thus also primary sources) ([67], [68])
Primary source official bios ([69], [70])
A WP:TRIVIALMENTION ([71])

Meanwhile, the awards she has received are not of the kind to qualify her as notable under WP:ANYBIO. Nothing qualifying came up in a WP:BEFORE search. Bottom line: fails WP:NBIO, WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I had the same concerns while editing the article recently. Ligaturama (talk) 09:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eldon Howard

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Hasn't changed since previous AFD. Jay Cubby 02:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unclear why the article was kept per no consensus in the previous AfD. Allan Nonymous (talk) 22:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG in WP:CREATIVE. QEnigma talk 14:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph Zubretsky

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WP:BLP of a health insurance executive, not adequately sourced as passing inclusion criteria for businesspeople. As always, health insurance CEOs are not automatically notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on coverage that's substantively about them and their work, but the referencing here isn't really cutting it: the best sources are two short blurbs published on the same day announcing his initial hiring for the job, which aren't substantive enough to get him over GNG all by themselves, while the rest of the footnotes comprise a press release self-published by his company (which isn't an independent source), an industry trade newsletter that isn't a GNG-worthy publication, and three articles that aren't about him in any non-trivial sense, but just glancingly namecheck him in the process of being principally about the overall phenomenon of how much insurance executives are getting paid.
Further, the information about his annual financial compensation over several years is a bit of a BLP minefield, especially in the wake of last week's shooting -- the amount that a person gets paid is not grounds for a Wikipedia article in and of itself, but that appears to be this article's primary concern.
Simply existing as an insurance CEO, regardless of how much money he is or isn't making, is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be the principal subject of more GNG-worthy coverage about him and his work than this article is showing. Bearcat (talk) 01:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:BLP1E - If the Brian Thompson murder had not happened, it is unlikely Zubretsky would be eligible for his own article. As is, it reads like an unremarkable resume. The same career background and compensation is not that out of line in corporate executive salaries. — Maile (talk) 02:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the mention in the article, "While at Aetna, Zubretsky increased telecommuting for employees as a way to save on office and real estate costs." Maybe so, but this was already the going trend in corporate America about the time he started doing that. — Maile (talk) 04:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I mean, this is well-sourced. A "Run of the mill CEO article" isn't exactly routine, there aren't thousands of health-care CEOs, he's one of a handful... A company of this size is akin to General Motors or Enron, so the CEO would be notable. Oaktree b (talk) 03:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well-sourced how, if the only footnotes that actually represent real media outlets writing about him are both short blurbs? Bearcat (talk) 03:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's generally at least enough for a stub article. We have confirmation of employment at a large healthcare enterprise. Oaktree b (talk) 14:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There's enough in terms of sourcing to justify this article's existence. I'm less than keen on Wikipedia being party to a naming-and-blaming campaign, but we're not censored. I created an article on a corporate executive that survived an AfD (Ted Decker) and this is article's subject is vaguely reminiscent of that. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Also this profile in a newspaper [72]. There are mentions of his name in newspapers back to 2007 with Aetna, he's had a long business career. Oaktree b (talk) 14:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Well yes, some sources are good. NatalieTT (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Al-Mustariha massacre

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Non-notable massacre or air strike. One of the source (ANHA - Hawar News Agency) is linked to the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). ANHA is forbidden in Turkey because it's seen as a propaganda tool of SDF, therefore I have no idea about what exactly is written in the source. Other source (arabi21.com) don't talk about Al-Mustariha or even a kind of massacre commited by Turkish air force. I'm not sure can we create an artice about every air strike and can we name every air strike as a massacre. I found no reliable sources online. I think it fails WP:RS and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. If there is a real massacre, this page can be used: List of massacres during the Syrian civil war.--Sabri76'^talk 14:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment As mentioned above, neither of the two listed sources describe the event in question. However, there are other sites online that do, such as here and here, but no major news agency has reported on it yet. --Leviavery (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned below, SOHR just make news of anouncement of SDF controlled Raqqa Governorate. Turkey has made lots of air strikes and some of them might kill some civillians but I mean we need more reliable sources that air strike is a massacre. SDF/PYD controlled news agency ANFA try to create a perception that Turkish Air Force deliberately bombed a civillian house for order to ensure the emigration of the people. We're sure there were many airstrike and some soldiers and civillians are killer but we're not sure is this a massacre or an ordinary air strike. SDF-PYD don't want loose their areas because they want autonomy and independence if it's possible in the future. Therefore they create news like that for gaining inrernational support against Türkey. Therefore wikipedians should be suspicious about these type of claims and need more reliable sources. We have to ask what makes this event (air strike) special if we consider last bloody 10 years of Syrian Civil War?--Sabri76'^talk 20:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree ANHA shouldn’t be used, it’s clearly not reliable considering the context, but SOHR is a reliable source. As other sources have started to emerge confirming the details, I don’t see a need to delete the article. Please keep WP:NPOV in mind, as both Turkish and Kurdish aligned sources have bias. Flalf^Talk 01:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleppo | Turkish drone kills 11 SDF fighters in eastern countryside - The Syrian Observatory For Human Rights

SOHR itself calls them to be fighters, though this article calls it massacre of civilians by the Turkish Armed Forces. AscendencyXXIV (talk) 14:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support The whole article of such an important event only has two references, thus the mentioned sources lack overall credibility - there's no report from any respectable/well-known media agency. AscendencyXXIV (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slight Keep SOHR is a reliable source, and while the coverage is limited as of now, this leads me to believe that there is more to come. Flalf^Talk 17:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SOHR shared the anouncement of SDF-led Raqqa Governorate and it says "191 air strikes". If this is a massacre, how about other 190 air strikes and dead bodies? If it's a systematic air strike massacre, why there is no other news and why big city centres are not bombed? SOHR also says totally 20 civilians killed in air strikes besides 32 SDF soldiers and 3 Assad regime soldiers. Also massacre is so disputed concept in this civil war. For example in here civillians died besides soldiers and I've searched key word of "massacre". I've found that just SDF (YPG) asserted Turkey committed a massacre against civilians and the source belongs to SOHR. I think using only the SOHR source prevents the objectivity of the event. The event in the article is the killing of soldiers and civilians as a result of air strikes and I think that it is not necessary to open a separate article since it is not a sui generis event in this civil war.--Sabri76'^talk 17:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (weak). Coverage in SOHR ([73]) and New Arab ([74]). Suggest a requested move for the title. Longhornsg (talk) 23:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The massacre occurred today, and we have two reliable sources reporting on it as mentioned above. It's also worth noting that the Arabic divisions of Sky News and The Independent have both covered this attack. Biases within Kurdish sources such as ANHA should be taken into account, but most Kurdish sources I've seen source SOHR instead of SDF. Jebiguess (talk) 01:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question: All news are based on SOHR and SOHR based on Raqqa Governorate. No photographs or witnesses in the news. Even if we accept this event is real but still no one has answered these questions yet: Does the bombing of a building make it noteworthy? Should an article be created for it or should it be simply moved to page List of massacres during the Syrian civil war ? In List of massacres page, Turkey wasn't mentioned. Is this a new and only massacre from at the beginng of the Syria war? If 190 air strike kills SDF-YPG soldiers and one of them kills civillians, is this make a massacre? Are you sure that it is a massacre instead of an air strike? For examle we have this article: April 2017 Turkish airstrikes in Syria and Iraq. Also civillians killed in those air strikes. This article was created to show that Turkey only carries out air strike to massacre innocent civilians. However, this airstrike is only one of 191 airstrikes against the SDF-YPG, and how neutral is it to open an article for a building that was bombed intentionally or accidentally? Israel also killed 6 civillians in this air strike (2024 Homs airstrikes) Why this is not a massacre?--Sabri76'^talk 06:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Offer: (My offer is valid provided that there is a consensus that the article should remain) I've found Turkish-based English news and I can see the photos. Therefore, I propose to change the title of the article as 2024 Turkish airstrikes in Syria, because Turkey does not want an autonomous or independent PKK-affiliated structure to be established in northern Syria and therefore, it is highly possible that operations will continue and air strikes will increase. Thus, this article will be open to develop for further actions.--Sabri76'^talk 06:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Update: My opinion is this is not a noteworthy event for creating an article unlike air strikes in Syria. If you want to see real massacre about Turkish Air Force, Roboski massacre is most popular one and this was widely discussed in the Turkish media and parliament for many years. If you have a consensus about this event is a massacre you can mention in here: List of massacres during the Syrian civil war. However this article but there are no sources to prove that it was a massacre. However massive air strikes are a fact.--Sabri76'^talk 10:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t understand your opposition. I’m not anti-Turkish or trying to push a narrative, as a Wikipedian I’m simply trying to encourage documentation of facts. There is now a significant amount of independent coverage (particularly in Arab language sources) and even of a Turkish source (as you provided). [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] Perhaps there should additionally be made an article about the more general air strikes, but this refers to a specific event.
    
    Also as I mentioned earlier, please keep WP:NPOV in mind. I understand you are Turkish, but you should remember to consider your own biases, especially in sanctioned areas such as around Kurdish related topics. Flalf^Talk 16:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AscendencyXXIV:, @Flalf:, @Braganza: I'm convinced about reality of the event and this discussion can be closed with a consensus, but I still have doubts about the definition of massacre, I think it's about moving the title and it's not the topic of here. I do not have any bias on issues related to Kurds, but I see a lot of systematic Turkophobia in the English Wikipedia, which is supposed to be unbiased. There is such a high level of prejudice against Turks on wikipedia that I don't participate in discussions because of the risk of being labeled as a nationalist even by writing a sentence, but calling the Turkish Air Force as mass murderer because one of the 191 bombings led to the death of innocents doesn't sound neutral at all. If the creator of the article hadn't used the word "massacre" but said "air strike", this article wouldn't have attracted my attention. I have heard on the news that they've been carrying out air strikes in recent days, but massacre is a very big claim. I would like to invite you to the page to get your views on the topic related to the title, I apologize for keeping this place busy.--Sabri76'^talk 17:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Closing Discussion I think it’s fair to say the title is more in dispute than the article itself and that the deletion discussion should be closed in favor of a Request for Move.
Flalf^Talk 18:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

support closure Braganza (talk) 07:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- - I've changed my mind because I still cannot find the location of Al-Mustariha. News says it's in the west of Ayn Issa and north of Raqqa, but we just see Mustariha village in Idlib. Before this news, there's no information about Al-Mustariha village in Ayn Issa. This is so weird. Almost I've found a Mustariha in Hama Governorate. Why I cannot find the location? If we cannot find the location, could we presume that event took place in Ayn Issa Province? I've used VPN and I've seen ANHA news which says 12 dead people but SOHR says 11 civillians. I think one of 12 killed people is SDF-YPG soldier but ANHA didn't mention it because of ideological background of news agency. SOHR used the Raqqa Governorate's statement and it's normal ı think. However, it is very interesting why all the websites reporting the news only stick to the SOHR announcement and don't clarify the location of the village. There are photos, but not finding any information about the location of the village or any information about the village before the incident makes me suspicious. A few small opposition websites in Turkey, known to be close to the HDP, reported this news. No medium or large-scale news website, also known internationally, mentioned this incident. I am contributing to this page for the first time, but I would like to ask if this is normal. The level of media freedom in Turkey may be low and therefore some news may be ignored, but if it is serious enough to be covered, I ask why other large or medium-sized news agencies didn't report it. Don't misunderstand me, I don't claim bombings and deaths didn't occur.--Sabri76'^talk 23:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to 2024 Turkish airstrikes in Syria as proposed by Sabri76. This justifies a split from Turkish involvement in the Syrian civil war which currently only has #2024 Rojava offensive pointing to 2024 Manbij offensive and 2024 Kobani offensive. The more detailed reports seem to be mainly from Kurdish-related sources; this includes both Iraq-based and Syria-based Kurdish-related groups, which are not a monolithic group, so the biases are to some degree mixed; western mainstream media tend to be focussed on 'our' interests, but do have some reports. Overall, 2024 Turkish airstrikes in Syria is very likely WP:NOTABLE. Last week or so: 9 Dec 2024 Rudaw Media Network; 10 Dec 2024 Rojava Information Center; 16 Dec 2024 The New York Times; pre-fall-of-Assad: 24 Oct 2024 The Guardian; kurdistan24.net '1 month ago' Kurdistan 24. Boud (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename. This seems sufficiently significant, but needs to be renamed/moved and possibly expanded, for example, as suggested by Boud just above.My very best wishes (talk) 18:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should we keep an article with the present scope (this attack, regardless of whether the "massacre" label is justified) or reframe this as an article about all the airstrikes in the most recent episode? At the moment I see an even split between these options.
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Daniel Owiredu

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All the sources fail WP: GNG and the subject of the article does not have the WP:SIGCOV to have a Wikipedia page. The article is ref bombed with press releases with two sentences getting up to 7 references. Ibjaja055 (talk) 02:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Keep: @Ibjaja055, I disagree with the assertion that the subject does not pass WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. The subject has indeed received significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Below are some examples:
Robertjamal12 ~🔔 10:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. automobile production figures

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WP:NOTSTATS with no inline citations and mostly essay content in the lead, and arbitrarily cut off at 2000. WP:SYNTH may also be a concern because the sources used might have different methodologies for estimating production in a given model year. PROD contested because:

Objecting to deletion, there are citations, and this information doesn't appear available elsewhere on Wikipedia and it provides valuable information, I'm not sure why this should be deleted
— User:97.176.15.217 22:41, 31 October 2024

But "valuable information" and "not available elsewhere" are not valid justifications for collections of data, especially a year-by-year breakdown over an entire century that does not include all companies. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This is a relic of an earlier era that would be more useful as tabular data on Commons. After 19 years, it's only linked to by 3 articles - two of them as improper circular references rather than useful wikilinks. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS and nom. I am sure someone else has collected these figures before but it won't have the significant coverage to sustain such a list. Conyo14 (talk) 04:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The news media does cover which are the bestselling vehicles of the year. Google news search for bestselling vehicles in America and each year, finds some results in reliable sources giving significant coverage to this. We have articles for List of best-selling automobiles and List of automobile sales by model. List of countries by motor vehicle production exist as well. This list just shows how many vehicles were made in America by each company year by year. Does production per country get coverage, or just global sales? Dream Focus 07:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't that just be WP:SYNTH issues? In which case I would argue just for a redirect to the automobile sales by model list as a potential target. Conyo14 (talk) 08:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kheyrollah Ghahramani

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Fails notability, he probably won some youth medals but achieved nothing in major events in senior level. the article claims he won two silver at 2012 and 2013 Asian Senior Championship but that's not correct and he never even made it to those competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 01:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Not sure how much help it is, but this source suggests he did in fact have a silver at the Asian championships and a bronze at world championship. [75] Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately this source fails to mention these medals are in cadet level. this is his resume in UWW database. as I said he never won anything special in senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meisam Yarahmadi

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Fails notability. just being a coach in youth level in a non-Olympic sport is far from being notable. this looks like WP:COI. Sports2021 (talk) 01:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete None of the coverage is significant and independent. All of the references mention him as coach of national youth teams but only in the context of the team preparing for competitions, him announcing results, or competitors being invited to training camps. He is either being interviewed or mentioned in one sentence as the national junior team coach. That doesn't show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 17:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Midwin

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I can't find any extended discussion of this living person, or any distinction making her automatically notable. Databases record her having had a professional beach volleyball career; she has appeared once or twice in Playboy publications/websites; she ran for local office once. I reduced the article in this edit, removing some poor sources (a magazine search, a Getty images search, a brief TV segment via YouTube) and some unreferenced personal information, but I conclude that notability can't be demonstrated. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG under WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:NMODEL. QEnigma talk 14:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allan Kato

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The sources fail WP: GNG or the criteria for WP:ANYBIO. Most of the sources are either promotional and puff piece like this or article about his foundation like [76]. I also spotted PR sources farming here. This source and this source are two promotional pieces published on the same day with same contents but on two different news media. Same goes with this this and this. Same contents but different dates on two different news media. It is also interesting to know that 77 percent of all the sources used (7 out of 9) were published in July, 2024. 57 percent out of the 77% (4 sources) were published in one day. Ibjaja055 (talk) 00:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The sources for the article (especially here and here) definitely look like source farming, and I cannot find anything that meets WP:GNG, for his name or "1BigAllan". I removed the promotional content from it but I still don't think it qualifies for a seperate article from Allan Children's Foundation. Sophisticatedevening (talk) 01:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Allan Children's Foundation: as an ATD. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Katherine McBroom

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Non-notable attorney, fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Every source in the article is either primarily about a client or is a primary source, with the only other source being a local news article about the foundation of a law firm (link). WP:BEFORE search yields the sources used in the article or gossip about an unrelated person with a similar name. Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination Firecat93 (talk) 06:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]